Discussion:
RV QUESTIION !!
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Lee Bray
2004-09-24 12:21:59 UTC
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Am getting ready for our next hurricane. Need to drain water tank and
refill with fresh water. The last time I drained it the tank looked
like it collapsed partially. So I assume there was a vacuum caused by
draining it. I had my low point valves open and faucets also, what did
I do wrong if anything? This was the first time it happened with this
unit I have had for a year. To get it back again I just warmed up the
plastic with a hair dryer and put arm pressure on the side that
collapsed and it is now normal just don't want to do it again. Any
ideas ???

I have assumed that no air was coming in and made the tank partially
collapse.

Lee
Will Sill
2004-09-24 13:34:24 UTC
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Post by Lee Bray
Am getting ready for our next hurricane. Need to drain water tank and
refill with fresh water. The last time I drained it the tank looked
like it collapsed partially. So I assume there was a vacuum caused by
draining it.
All water tanks SHOULD be vented. If yours is not you can expect a
repeat. I found it necessary in our rig to run a long vent line so
that water would not spill out on decel/accel. If you check carefully
I think you will find a pinched or obstructed vent.

Will ---- the Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
I post to help rv'ers and annoy the snot out of morons,
idjits, fools and bozos - - and to irk their ilk. Often, I do both
at once. If you feel annoyed, check your status.
Lone Haranguer
2004-09-24 13:37:43 UTC
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Post by Lee Bray
I have assumed that no air was coming in and made the tank partially
collapse.
Lee
Open a faucet.
LZ
Will Sill
2004-09-24 14:44:57 UTC
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Post by Lone Haranguer
Post by Lee Bray
I have assumed that no air was coming in and made the tank partially
collapse.
Open a faucet.
Only useful if the "faucet" is installed in a vent line!

iWill ---- the Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
I post to help rv'ers and annoy the snot out of morons,
idjits, fools and bozos - - and to irk their ilk. Often, I do both
at once. If you feel annoyed, check your status.
CruzMastr
2004-09-24 17:29:32 UTC
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All the more irrelevent since the poster originally stated " I had my low
point valves open and faucets also...". It's likely a kinked or plugged vent
line - may have attracted spider, etc.

CruzMastr
Post by Will Sill
Post by Lone Haranguer
Post by Lee Bray
I have assumed that no air was coming in and made the tank partially
collapse.
Open a faucet.
Only useful if the "faucet" is installed in a vent line!
iWill ---- the Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
I post to help rv'ers and annoy the snot out of morons,
idjits, fools and bozos - - and to irk their ilk. Often, I do both
at once. If you feel annoyed, check your status.
Lone Haranguer
2004-09-24 23:56:11 UTC
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Will Sill wrote some dumbass remark that shows his brain is not too
flexible.
Post by Will Sill
Post by Lone Haranguer
Post by Lee Bray
I have assumed that no air was coming in and made the tank partially
collapse.
Open a faucet.
Only useful if the "faucet" is installed in a vent line!
Bullshit. Open a faucet and if air doesn't enter turn on the pump.
When I drain my tank it's goes a lot faster if you run the pump but I DO
open the faucet. Works for me.

You can mow the lawn while you wait but I have better things to do.
LZ
William Boyd
2004-09-25 01:47:32 UTC
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Post by Lone Haranguer
Will Sill wrote some dumbass remark that shows his brain is not too
flexible.
Post by Will Sill
Post by Lone Haranguer
Post by Lee Bray
I have assumed that no air was coming in and made the tank partially
collapse.
Open a faucet.
Only useful if the "faucet" is installed in a vent line!
Bullshit. Open a faucet and if air doesn't enter turn on the pump.
When I drain my tank it's goes a lot faster if you run the pump but I DO
open the faucet. Works for me.
You can mow the lawn while you wait but I have better things to do.
LZ
LZ, considering the asshole has me filtered he won't hear this and get a
big head. Maybe the reason your pump on, faucet open helps to drain the
tank, is because you are using water out of the tank at the same time
you are draining it. So you are correct, it helps, I do it that way
also. The pump does have a check valve to prevent water pressure from
external source going in to the tank, it also prevents air from coming
in through a faucet and entering the tank. This also allows you to have
an accumulator in the system. But all systems are not the same, some
might have a check valve at the connection where the external water hose
hooks up at, that is just so the pressure the pump provides does not go
out the city water inlet.
I had one that the vent hose was crimped, but not enough that it would
interfere with draining. On the contrary, when I would fill it, it had
to belch out the filler pipe, get you all wet if you were not expecting
it.

BILL P.
Will Sill
2004-09-25 12:42:25 UTC
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I see where Lone Haranguer <***@direcway.com> keeps digging deeper
and deeper, ridiculing my remarks on the question and adding more
Post by Lone Haranguer
Post by Will Sill
Post by Lone Haranguer
Open a faucet.
Only useful if the "faucet" is installed in a vent line!
Bullshit. Open a faucet and if air doesn't enter turn on the pump.
When I drain my tank it's goes a lot faster if you run the pump but I DO
open the faucet. Works for me.
Before making things worse, THINK for a moment. This is not rocket
science. If the tank vent is blocked, the tank will collapse when the
pump pushes water out in normal use, OR if water is simply drained at
the tank drain. Either way, opening a faucet does nothing unless (as
I wrote facetiously) it is actually installed as a valve in the vent
line.

You can make the tank drain faster by running the pump ONLY if you are
draining through a low point in a normally pressurized water line -
but that has NOTHING to do with the collapsing tank problem, which is
caused by pulling a partial vacuum. If the OP wishes to solve the
problem, he MUST either fix the blocked/pinched vent or open the
filler to let air enter.

Will ---- the Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
I post to help rv'ers and annoy the snot out of morons,
idjits, fools and bozos - - and to irk their ilk. Often, I do both
at once. If you feel annoyed, check your status.
Lone Haranguer
2004-09-25 19:53:24 UTC
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Post by Will Sill
You can make the tank drain faster by running the pump ONLY if you are
draining through a low point in a normally pressurized water line -
It won't go faster if you are pumping against a vacuum, dummkopf. It
will tell you in a hurry if you have other problems.
Post by Will Sill
but that has NOTHING to do with the collapsing tank problem, which is
caused by pulling a partial vacuum. If the OP wishes to solve the
problem, he MUST either fix the blocked/pinched vent or open the
filler to let air enter.
You must have a unique plumbing system. If I leave the hose run and
overfill the system, it comes shooting right back out the filler neck.

Do you really think air can't get in the same way? I don't have a screw
cap, just a loose fitting door. I also have an overflow pipe and if the
tank is full, water will run out when I take a tilted corner. Do you
think air can't come in through the overflow pipe?

I think your experience is too limited to have useful input to this
discussion. Maybe you should buy something currently manufactured?
LZ
Will Sill
2004-09-25 23:06:37 UTC
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Lone Haranguer <***@direcway.com> is certainly not a moron, though
on this topic he seems to have taken leave of his senses. In answer
to a concern about a partially collapsed water tank, he not only said
"open a faucet" (duh!) but claimed you can make the tank drain faster
by running the pump. From there it got worse! I remarked that
rnning the pump would only help if the drain was in a low point of a
Post by Lone Haranguer
It won't go faster if you are pumping against a vacuum, dummkopf. It
will tell you in a hurry if you have other problems.
Ummm --- take a deep breath and READ the OP's problem statement. His
exact words:

: The last time I drained it the tank looked like it collapsed partially. So
:I assume there was a vacuum caused by draining it.

I agreed with his assessment, though other explanations are POSSIBLE.
Which is why I wrote that. .. .
Post by Lone Haranguer
. . . . . . . the collapsing tank problem, . . . is
caused by pulling a partial vacuum. If the OP wishes to solve the
problem, he MUST either fix the blocked/pinched vent or open the
filler to let air enter.
You must have a unique plumbing system. If I leave the hose run and
overfill the system, it comes shooting right back out the filler neck.
I'm not sure what THAT has to do with the problem statement, unless it
indicates that your filler is also the vent (mine is not, BTW). The
point is that there has GOT to be a vent, else the tank WILL collapse
when the contents are pumped or drained out.
Post by Lone Haranguer
Do you really think air can't get in the same way? I don't have a screw
cap, just a loose fitting door. I also have an overflow pipe and if the
tank is full, water will run out when I take a tilted corner. Do you
think air can't come in through the overflow pipe?
It seems painfuly obvious that the OP's system was NOT properly
vented. My system (like many others) has the vent/overflow separate
from the filler to avoid spills when cornering/accelerating.
Post by Lone Haranguer
I think your experience is too limited to have useful input to this
discussion. Maybe you should buy something currently manufactured?
Maybe YOU should engage brain before dumping on my entirely valid
advice! Your advice to open a faucet was totally irrelevant to the
problem stated, and if you'd act like a man and admit it, I'd think
better of you. As it is, you're competing with Boyd Brain for Moron
of the Week.

Will Sill
Lone Haranguer
2004-09-26 02:09:27 UTC
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Will Sill wrote:
but claimed you can make the tank drain faster
Post by Will Sill
by running the pump.
Works that way on mine.

From there it got worse! I remarked that
Post by Will Sill
rnning the pump would only help if the drain was in a low point of a
Drains are always in a low point, dummy. Otherwise they only do a
partial job.
Post by Will Sill
Post by Lone Haranguer
It won't go faster if you are pumping against a vacuum, dummkopf. It
will tell you in a hurry if you have other problems.
Ummm --- take a deep breath and READ the OP's problem statement. His
: The last time I drained it the tank looked like it collapsed partially. So
:I assume there was a vacuum caused by draining it.
He wouldn't have had to assume that, had he been running the pump, at
least on my system. If the water DIDN'T drain faster, that's a
trouble-shooting clue.
Post by Will Sill
I agreed with his assessment, though other explanations are POSSIBLE.
Which is why I wrote that. .. .
Post by Lone Haranguer
. . . . . . . the collapsing tank problem, . . . is
caused by pulling a partial vacuum. If the OP wishes to solve the
problem, he MUST either fix the blocked/pinched vent or open the
filler to let air enter.
A near genius pronouncement. A collapsing tank caused by a vacuum. Who
else would have guessed it?
Post by Will Sill
Post by Lone Haranguer
You must have a unique plumbing system. If I leave the hose run and
overfill the system, it comes shooting right back out the filler neck.
I'm not sure what THAT has to do with the problem statement, unless it
indicates that your filler is also the vent (mine is not, BTW).
The filler neck on mine is far from an airtight seal. It is NOT the
vent but certainly can act as one.

The
Post by Will Sill
point is that there has GOT to be a vent, else the tank WILL collapse
when the contents are pumped or drained out.
The filler neck IS a vent unless you can make it airtight.
Post by Will Sill
Post by Lone Haranguer
Do you really think air can't get in the same way? I don't have a screw
cap, just a loose fitting door. I also have an overflow pipe and if the
tank is full, water will run out when I take a tilted corner. Do you
think air can't come in through the overflow pipe?
It seems painfuly obvious that the OP's system was NOT properly
vented. My system (like many others) has the vent/overflow separate
from the filler to avoid spills when cornering/accelerating.
Mine too.
Post by Will Sill
Post by Lone Haranguer
I think your experience is too limited to have useful input to this
discussion. Maybe you should buy something currently manufactured?
Maybe YOU should engage brain before dumping on my entirely valid
advice! Your advice to open a faucet was totally irrelevant to the
problem stated, and if you'd act like a man and admit it, I'd think
better of you.
Opening a faucet makes MY tank drain faster. Turning on the pump makes
it drain faster yet. Your advice MAY be valid for a system with an
airtight filler cap, no overflow pipe, no breather vent and no way to
allow air into the system. It bears no resemblance to my experiences.

As it is, you're competing with Boyd Brain for Moron
Post by Will Sill
of the Week.
Right on, Will. Who is the doofus that started a rant about Garrison
Keillor when another author by the name of Keller was mentioned?

You've earned the right to keep the dunce cap permanently.
LZ
Post by Will Sill
Will Sill
Greg Surratt
2004-09-24 17:04:02 UTC
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:37:43 -0500, Lone Haranguer
Post by Lone Haranguer
Post by Lee Bray
I have assumed that no air was coming in and made the tank partially
collapse.
Lee
Open a faucet.
LZ
LZ, the OP said <QUOTE> . I had my low point valves open and faucets
also, what did I do wrong if anything? <ENDQUOTE>

Would the fact that the pump is between the tank and the faucets have
anything to do with air not venting back through the pump to the tank?

Greg
JPinOH
2004-09-24 23:59:26 UTC
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Post by Greg Surratt
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:37:43 -0500, Lone Haranguer
Post by Lone Haranguer
Post by Lee Bray
I have assumed that no air was coming in and made the tank partially
collapse.
Lee
Open a faucet.
LZ
LZ, the OP said <QUOTE> . I had my low point valves open and faucets
also, what did I do wrong if anything? <ENDQUOTE>
Would the fact that the pump is between the tank and the faucets have
anything to do with air not venting back through the pump to the tank?
That was my point in a previous post. Most likely cause is a blicked vent
line on the water tank.
--
Jon
JPinOH

poke the "i" out to reply
Lone Haranguer
2004-09-25 00:41:02 UTC
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Post by Greg Surratt
LZ, the OP said <QUOTE> . I had my low point valves open and faucets
also, what did I do wrong if anything? <ENDQUOTE>
Would the fact that the pump is between the tank and the faucets have
anything to do with air not venting back through the pump to the tank?
Opening the faucets has always worked for me when draining is slow.
Running the pump speeds it up even more.
LZ
James Gemmill
2004-09-24 14:15:42 UTC
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See if there is a wasp's nest in the vent tube. Open the fill opening
connections, (where you slide the hose in to fill the tank) while
draining that should provide a flow of air into the tank. I suspect
the check valve in the pump may prevent air flow from a faucet.
Post by Lee Bray
Am getting ready for our next hurricane. Need to drain water tank and
refill with fresh water. The last time I drained it the tank looked
like it collapsed partially. So I assume there was a vacuum caused by
draining it. I had my low point valves open and faucets also, what did
I do wrong if anything? This was the first time it happened with this
unit I have had for a year. To get it back again I just warmed up the
plastic with a hair dryer and put arm pressure on the side that
collapsed and it is now normal just don't want to do it again. Any
ideas ???
I have assumed that no air was coming in and made the tank partially
collapse.
Lee
JPinOH
2004-09-24 14:46:51 UTC
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Post by Lee Bray
Am getting ready for our next hurricane. Need to drain water tank and
refill with fresh water. The last time I drained it the tank looked
like it collapsed partially. So I assume there was a vacuum caused by
draining it. I had my low point valves open and faucets also, what did
I do wrong if anything? This was the first time it happened with this
unit I have had for a year. To get it back again I just warmed up the
plastic with a hair dryer and put arm pressure on the side that
collapsed and it is now normal just don't want to do it again. Any
ideas ???
I have assumed that no air was coming in and made the tank partially
collapse.
Correct there. Opening a faucet probably won't help either, since the city
water connection and the water pump are on seperate lines. The water pump
has a valve in it to prevent backflow, so no air will enter the tank from
that source, since the feed to the water pump is the only connection between
the tank and the rest of the system.

I'm pretty sure that there is a vent line located at the top of the water
tank somewhere. Find it, and then see if it's clear. In my case, the vent
line is routed into the water fill cover on the outside. It could simply be
a kink in the line.
--
Jon
JPinOH

poke the "i" out to reply
HHamp5246
2004-09-24 15:30:34 UTC
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Post by Lee Bray
Am getting ready for our next hurricane.
Why don't you climb in the MH and head out of Florida?

Hunter
http://members.aol.com/ILuvBrady/summer2004.htm

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting
"...holy shit...what a ride!"
Peter Pan
2004-09-24 16:20:25 UTC
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Post by HHamp5246
Post by Lee Bray
Am getting ready for our next hurricane.
Why don't you climb in the MH and head out of Florida?
Hunter
http://members.aol.com/ILuvBrady/summer2004.htm
"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting
"...holy shit...what a ride!"
Just out of curiosity, for those of you that live in FL, I was going to go
back to FL to renew my DL/plates/insurance etc, (not a very good time to go
to FL), but it turned out that my county (Pinellas county) has a website
(www.taxcollect.com) for renewing all that stuff, and they even have a "mail
to" address's! Many local counties can now do state stuff (like renewing
DL's). I just got my mail here in Vegas yesterday and my new DL and
registration where there! (still don't like the picture on my DL :(

PS, there is a 'cain related insurance thing, since a lot of people can't
get renewal notices in the mail, anyone due in sept to oct 16th are
automatically renewed for a month.. check with your insurance carrier, but
you may have already been renewed for 30 days (if you are due).
Pete Dumbleton
2004-09-25 14:43:41 UTC
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Post by Peter Pan
Just out of curiosity, for those of you that live in FL, I was going to go
back to FL to renew my DL/plates/insurance etc, (not a very good time to go
to FL), but it turned out that my county (Pinellas county) has a website
(www.taxcollect.com) for renewing all that stuff, and they even have a "mail
to" address's! Many local counties can now do state stuff (like renewing
DL's). I just got my mail here in Vegas yesterday and my new DL and
registration where there! (still don't like the picture on my DL :(
When I did that with Pasco County a couple of years ago, what happened
was that because the "mail to" address was different than my official
FL mailing address, my registration papers reflected the "mail to",
not my actual. I called and they assured me that in the computer,
available for police scrutiny, is my official address (they put the
"mail to" on it so they know where they sent it).

As luck would have it, I was pulled over for a minor infraction in the
"mail to" state and the cop was going to just warn me as a tourist
until he saw my friend's in-state "mail to" address on my
registration. I quickly showed him my old registration (retained in
anticipation of just such a scenario) and told him what the FL DMV
folks had told me. He went back to his patrol car and got on the
computer for awhile, came back and gave me a stern warning, so I guess
DMV was right.

Next time I did something like that, as soon as I had the papers in
hand with the "mail to" address on them, I called FL and asked for a
duplicate to be mailed to my official FL address and when they caught
up to me I destroyed the "mail to" copies.
Lee Bray
2004-09-24 19:29:42 UTC
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Hi Hunter

Hey we like to live dangerously! No I was setting it up in case we
have to run. You know wait until it is to late to run! (grin) But I
heated up the tank and popped it back out again and filled it up. So
far it is OK. Found an additional outlet and I guess as Will said no
air was going in. So the tank collapsed. Used hair dryer to heat the
plastic and pushed in the sides until it popped back into place.
Hopefully we won't have to take off but we are ready if we have to.

Thanks for the thought! I did find a valve I had not opened before and
I did hear rushing into the MH so I guess that was my problem. Thanks
all for your comments and suggestions. Sorry about having an RV
Question and messing up the group! (VBG)

Lee
Post by HHamp5246
Why don't you climb in the MH and head out of Florida?
Lloyd
2004-09-25 03:04:56 UTC
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Just open the filler cap, mine does the same thing, 1/2" vent line is not
going to keep up with 2" drain.
Post by Lee Bray
Am getting ready for our next hurricane. Need to drain water tank and
refill with fresh water. The last time I drained it the tank looked like
it collapsed partially. So I assume there was a vacuum caused by draining
it. I had my low point valves open and faucets also, what did I do wrong
if anything? This was the first time it happened with this unit I have
had for a year. To get it back again I just warmed up the plastic with a
hair dryer and put arm pressure on the side that collapsed and it is now
normal just don't want to do it again. Any ideas ???
I have assumed that no air was coming in and made the tank partially
collapse.
Lee
William Boyd
2004-09-25 13:30:40 UTC
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Post by Lloyd
Just open the filler cap, mine does the same thing, 1/2" vent line is not
going to keep up with 2" drain.
I sure don't have 2" drain, maybe 3/8" or 1/2" at the most.

Bill P.
Albert <amlason(at)hotmail(dot)com>
2004-09-25 04:47:42 UTC
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Post by Lee Bray
Am getting ready for our next hurricane. Need to drain water tank and
refill with fresh water. The last time I drained it the tank looked
like it collapsed partially. So I assume there was a vacuum caused by
draining it. I had my low point valves open and faucets also, what did
I do wrong if anything? This was the first time it happened with this
unit I have had for a year. To get it back again I just warmed up the
plastic with a hair dryer and put arm pressure on the side that
collapsed and it is now normal just don't want to do it again. Any
ideas ???
I have assumed that no air was coming in and made the tank partially
collapse.
Lee
If you have a stopped up vent and you probably do the
collapse of the tank could have been caused by the pomp pulling out of
the tank at some time earlier. I've seen cases were a fuel tank was
completely collapsed because of an obstructed fuel tank vent.

If you have a gravity fill line I think it's called "buckets fill" or
like I had on my old Wilderness where you fill straight into the tank
you could remove the cap for venting. On the rig I have now the
bottom is closed and sealed off therefore the vent line comes out at
the same place that the drain line is. So I taped a small piece of
screen wire on the end to keep out all of the aforementioned vermin
but mostly where I live mud wasps ( "Dober").

Albert
Lee Bray
2004-09-25 12:09:02 UTC
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Hey Thanks for the replies I gave each of them a try and now have the
tank back in the correct shape and filled. So far the hurricane is
causing no problems here in Jacksonville. The skies are overcast and
hopefully it will miss us. Our roofer never made it from the last
hurricane so hopefully this time the rain will come from the other
direction and I will find out if the leak in the den was from wind
driven rain which I am beginning to believe or I need a roof replacement.

The forecast still has it running up the East coast of Florida though
so I am sure we will again get lots of water and wind. Also they say
the ground is so saturated that more trees will topple and now they are
worried about water and sewer lines being affected from falling trees
not to mention power outages.

Happy trails all!

Lee and Renate
http://home.comcast.net/~l.bray/
William Boyd
2004-09-25 13:39:40 UTC
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Post by Lee Bray
The forecast still has it running up the East coast of Florida
though so I am sure we will again get lots of water and wind. Also they
say the ground is so saturated that more trees will topple and now they
are worried about water and sewer lines being affected from falling
trees not to mention power outages.
Happy trails all!
Lee and Renate
http://home.comcast.net/~l.bray/
Lee you better haul ass, the predictions have all varied as much as it
would take to hit you. and you will be on the high wind side.

BILL P.
Lee Bray
2004-09-25 15:34:01 UTC
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Hi Bill

Have the MH fueled and the genny checked and all is ready to go. But
still have to delay as brother is getting married (2d time) today and
would feel bad about leaving before seeing him married. I mean why
should he be having fun while the rest of us are married (grin, running
and ducking from wife!) We were on the high side the last time and did
OK but then that does not mean anything either. Our info at this end
still is variable from North to NW so which way do you run?

Lee
Post by William Boyd
Lee you better haul ass, the predictions have all varied as much as it
would take to hit you. and you will be on the high wind side.
BILL P.
GBinNC
2004-09-25 14:16:07 UTC
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Post by Lee Bray
The forecast still has it running up the East coast of Florida though
so I am sure we will again get lots of water and wind.
The latest track shows it's also headed almost straight for us in
central NC, but by that time maximum sustained winds are predicted at
below 39 mph. Of course, that can still topple trees and cause other
damage, but it's nothing like 100 or more.

Although parts of western NC (including the area around our mountain
house) have had some very serious flooding in the past several weeks, we
could actually use some rain here.

Good luck, and hang in there.

GB in NC
Lee Bray
2004-09-25 15:35:29 UTC
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Thanks GB we will need all the luck we can get! See previous post to
Bill PL for reason for hanging around.


Lee
Post by GBinNC
Good luck, and hang in there.
HDinNY
2004-09-25 18:04:08 UTC
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Lee Bray wrote:
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Post by Lee Bray
The forecast still has it running up the East coast of Florida
though so I am sure we will again get lots of water and wind. Also they
say the ground is so saturated that more trees will topple and now they
are worried about water and sewer lines being affected from falling
trees not to mention power outages.
Keep an eye on it Lee. It looks as if it will go inland,
whack Orlando and curve back out around the Jacksonville area.
Hugh
Lee Bray
2004-09-25 20:49:31 UTC
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Hi Hugh

Believe me I will be keeping an eye out. Nothing yet not even high
winds. Am waiting for the news to come up with local but am also
checking the web for updates. Just got in from brothers wedding!

Lee
Keep an eye on it Lee. It looks as if it will go inland, whack Orlando
and curve back out around the Jacksonville area.
Dot
2004-09-25 21:09:09 UTC
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Post by HDinNY
snipped
Post by Lee Bray
The forecast still has it running up the East coast of Florida
though so I am sure we will again get lots of water and wind. Also
they say the ground is so saturated that more trees will topple and
now they are worried about water and sewer lines being affected from
falling trees not to mention power outages.
Keep an eye on it Lee. It looks as if it will go inland,
whack Orlando and curve back out around the Jacksonville area.
Hugh
Category 3 Jeanne is coming right up the center of Florida after it hits
land around Ft. Pierce/Melbourne -- especially tough on hard hit Brevard
County. The center is expected to pass through east Marion County (where I
am) on Sunday afternoon. 'course I'm "lucky" again... Clermont will get
max 85mph sustained winds while we'll get "only" 75mph. It's Saturday
afternoon, and we're getting gusts and rain already. This is a large
storm, so the whole state will be affected. I haven't much info on the
rest of the state, though, as our TV news focuses on central FL with more
emphasis on Marion County than in previus storms.

Some folks have said we should notify the emergency folks about Bob's O2
needs. Well, I tried that earlier today. I got an old woman on the phone
who said only those in mobile homes should evacuate and that site-built
home evacuations were voluntary.

I had explained first that there's a man on O2 here and an older house
under trees that is full of various types of O2 tanks. She said that if
winds go over 40 mph, emergency personnel would not go out.

"But, but, m'am, I stuttered, "I don't expect anyone to come here during
the storm. I only want to report where we are and the O2 situation here in
case emergency people have to come by or might check on us *after* the
storm if trees fall on the house."

She said nothing about special needs shelters and said, " If you want to
evacuate, then go ahead and leave."

So much for that.

4:50 new report:
Jeanne is heading more westward, cross Lake and Marion Counties (don't be
out driving in these areas), head northwest, will weaken considerably, and
be just a low pressure area by the time it reaches Georgia. Be alert for
tornadoes. Cone path seems to avoid the Jacksonville area -- good news for
Lee!

I've picked up loose items, stored water, and stocked up at mobbed Publix
supermarket. Bob just finished setting up long extension cords for the
MH's generator.

Dot
Lee Bray
2004-09-26 02:15:41 UTC
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Hi Dot

Thanks for the good news. But then you never know which way they will
go regardless of how good the forecasts are. I also have laid out the
electric cords for the MH and have filled the water tank as you read so
I would have water in case we lose water along with the electricity.
They have stated more trees would topple in heavy winds due to saturated
ground and might break pipes etc. I checked the oil in the genny and
have a full tank of fuel in both vehicles so have plenty of fuel and
have put Stabil in the MH. Tried to buy some more but Lowes was out of
Stabil. Also no generators either. Same for Home Depot. At least you
will be able to run things with the genny power. Take care and stay off
the roads until it is over.

Lee

Dot wrote:
Cone path seems to avoid the Jacksonville area -- good news for
Lee!
HDinNY
2004-09-26 02:56:27 UTC
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Post by Lee Bray
Hi Dot
Thanks for the good news. But then you never know which way they
will go regardless of how good the forecasts are. I also have laid out
the electric cords for the MH and have filled the water tank as you read
so I would have water in case we lose water along with the electricity.
They have stated more trees would topple in heavy winds due to saturated
ground and might break pipes etc. I checked the oil in the genny and
have a full tank of fuel in both vehicles so have plenty of fuel and
have put Stabil in the MH. Tried to buy some more but Lowes was out of
Stabil. Also no generators either. Same for Home Depot. At least you
will be able to run things with the genny power. Take care and stay off
the roads until it is over.
Lee
Cone path seems to avoid the Jacksonville area -- good news for
Lee!
All you guys are in our prayers. Hope to see you all with no
damage to you and yours.
HD in CNY
William Boyd
2004-09-25 13:35:31 UTC
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Post by Albert <amlason(at)hotmail(dot)com>
Post by Lee Bray
Am getting ready for our next hurricane. Need to drain water tank and
refill with fresh water. The last time I drained it the tank looked
like it collapsed partially. So I assume there was a vacuum caused by
draining it. I had my low point valves open and faucets also, what did
I do wrong if anything? This was the first time it happened with this
unit I have had for a year. To get it back again I just warmed up the
plastic with a hair dryer and put arm pressure on the side that
collapsed and it is now normal just don't want to do it again. Any
ideas ???
I have assumed that no air was coming in and made the tank partially
collapse.
Lee
If you have a stopped up vent and you probably do the
collapse of the tank could have been caused by the pomp pulling out of
the tank at some time earlier. I've seen cases were a fuel tank was
completely collapsed because of an obstructed fuel tank vent.
If you have a gravity fill line I think it's called "buckets fill" or
like I had on my old Wilderness where you fill straight into the tank
you could remove the cap for venting. On the rig I have now the
bottom is closed and sealed off therefore the vent line comes out at
the same place that the drain line is. So I taped a small piece of
screen wire on the end to keep out all of the aforementioned vermin
but mostly where I live mud wasps ( "Dober").
Albert
That sounds like the most likely, I can't see any other way the tank
could claps, but the vent is the primary problem.

BILL P.
Will Sill
2004-09-25 15:58:05 UTC
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Post by Lee Bray
Am getting ready for our next hurricane. Need to drain water tank and
refill with fresh water. The last time I drained it the tank looked
like it collapsed partially. So I assume there was a vacuum caused by
draining it.
I wrote:
All water tanks SHOULD be vented. If yours is not you can expect a
repeat. I found it necessary in our rig to run a long vent line so
that water would not spill out on decel/accel. If you check carefully
I think you will find a pinched or obstructed vent.

Lee: what did you eventually discover was the problem?

Will Sill
"Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by
tyrants." Wm. Penn
Lee Bray
2004-09-25 20:31:26 UTC
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Hi Will

I have not drained the tank since filling it up but will after the
hurricane. I believe the fact that I did not have the proper valve
open. I have a Georgie Boy Cruise Master and it has two low point
drains and 1 cold tank drain and also a drain for the tank in the
electrical area. I had forgotten to turn the cold tank drain on but had
the one in the electrical area draining. I made an assumption that is
what caused the problem because I have not found any vent and it (the
tank) is under the bed making it difficult to check. Believe me I have
looked. Lucky for me heat applied to the tank made it quite easy to pop
it out easily.

Lee
Post by Will Sill
Lee: what did you eventually discover was the problem?
Will Sill
2004-09-25 23:11:47 UTC
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Post by Lee Bray
Hi Will
I have not drained the tank since filling it up but will after the
hurricane. I believe the fact that I did not have the proper valve
open. I have a Georgie Boy Cruise Master and it has two low point
drains and 1 cold tank drain and also a drain for the tank in the
electrical area. I had forgotten to turn the cold tank drain on but had
the one in the electrical area draining. I made an assumption that is
what caused the problem because I have not found any vent and it (the
tank) is under the bed making it difficult to check. Believe me I have
looked. Lucky for me heat applied to the tank made it quite easy to pop
it out easily.
Then you haven't actually discovered the problem, have you?

If you cannot find a separate vent, check to see that the filler
cap/cover can breath air as water is drawn off. Failure to find the
proper valve would NOT account for a partial collapse - it would only
result in incomplete drainage.

Not being familiar with the exact configuration of your tank, I can't
say what esle might have caused the problem - but I assumed (and still
do) that a partial vaccuum was responsible. I also assumed that you
are way too smart to have place some heavy cargo on top of the tank
and then failed top mention it!!!

Will Sill
"It's obvious to me that this country is rapidly dividing
itself into two camps - the wimps and the warriors: The ones
who want to argue and assess and appease, and the ones who
want to carry this fight to our enemies and kill them before
they kill us. And in case you haven't figured it out,
I proudly belong to the latter." US Sen Zell Miller (D)
Lee Bray
2004-09-26 01:57:11 UTC
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Hi Will

Nope can't say that I have found the answer to my problem to date but
again I have "assumed" not opening the cold tank valve "may" have been
the problem. I will verify that when I drain the tank.
Of course I could be wrong! (grin)

Also thinking back I am not sure if I did have the filler cover (rubber
insert) off either. So there is the possibility that I goofed on
several things. Yes I do acknowledge that a vacuum was the problem
that I believe I attested to in my first comments.

As far as the comment about laying something on the tank, that is a
negative as it is stored under our Queen size bed which is on a
hinged plywood panel over the tank. No chance of that buckling in on
the tank either.

As I said before I believe it was caused by no air going in and water
coming out. (partial or full vacuum.) Just have to verify by
draining after stove with rubber cap off and proper valve opened.

Thanks again for the feed back and the comment about my "smartness" (vbg)

Lee
Post by Will Sill
Then you haven't actually discovered the problem, have you?
If you cannot find a separate vent, check to see that the filler
cap/cover can breath air as water is drawn off. Failure to find the
proper valve would NOT account for a partial collapse - it would only
result in incomplete drainage.
Not being familiar with the exact configuration of your tank, I can't
say what esle might have caused the problem - but I assumed (and still
do) that a partial vaccuum was responsible. I also assumed that you
are way too smart to have place some heavy cargo on top of the tank
and then failed top mention it!!!
Speedy
2004-09-26 01:29:38 UTC
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Lee,
I too have a GB Cruise Master III. I've never experienced the
collapsing tank problem. I just open the main drain and let it go. On
mine it's located directly below the city water inlet and has a small
plastic pipe that just goes through the compartment floor directly below
the drain. There are a couple of other drains. One for the pump and
one for the plumbing to make winterizing easier. I don't even turn the
city water off while draining the fresh water tank. The city water
pressure keeps the pump from coming on and pumping.
How do you get to your fresh water tank? Mine isn't visible at all.
Both the black and gray tanks are visible with limited accessibility
from the plumbing/water/sewer compartment.
I just drained, flushed and sanitized the fresh water about a week ago
in preparation for packing up and heading south.
Post by Lee Bray
Hi Will
I have not drained the tank since filling it up but will after the
hurricane. I believe the fact that I did not have the proper valve
open. I have a Georgie Boy Cruise Master and it has two low point
drains and 1 cold tank drain and also a drain for the tank in the
electrical area. I had forgotten to turn the cold tank drain on but
had the one in the electrical area draining. I made an assumption
that is what caused the problem because I have not found any vent and
it (the tank) is under the bed making it difficult to check. Believe
me I have
looked. Lucky for me heat applied to the tank made it quite easy to
pop it out easily.
Lee
Post by Will Sill
Lee: what did you eventually discover was the problem?
Lee Bray
2004-09-26 02:06:08 UTC
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Hi Speedy

As I have said I think it was an error on my part not following proper
procedures..... I opened the two low level valves, and the one in the
electric area and it collapsed. Lucky for me I remembered about
applying heat and pushing against the sides to make it pop back in
without any damage (or so I think).... I failed to open the cold tank
valve and did not leave the cover off the inlet. Also I opened the rear
tank drain which I had not even used as I figured it was one of the two
overflows. There were no instruction about the tank or dumping the
water. I do have all the manuals though for the coach. My tank is
located right under the Queen Bed in the rear of the coach the platform
is hinged and you just lift it and the mattress up and there it is also
in there is the heating ducts for the 2d heater for the rear portion of
the coach.

Don't rush your trip South or you may run into Jeanne! Like I said
this was only the second time it happened to me but both in a row. I
have done it many times before with no problem, so am sure it is just
something I forgot to do or leave open. Old age does cause problems
sometimes.

If you ever have it happen just apply heat from a hair dryer to the
place where the tank bends and push with arm and it will pop out. At
least I did that right! (grinning)

Happy Trails

Lee
Post by Speedy
Lee,
I too have a GB Cruise Master III. I've never experienced the
collapsing tank problem. I just open the main drain and let it go. On
mine it's located directly below the city water inlet and has a small
plastic pipe that just goes through the compartment floor directly below
the drain. There are a couple of other drains. One for the pump and
one for the plumbing to make winterizing easier. I don't even turn the
city water off while draining the fresh water tank. The city water
pressure keeps the pump from coming on and pumping.
How do you get to your fresh water tank? Mine isn't visible at all.
Both the black and gray tanks are visible with limited accessibility
from the plumbing/water/sewer compartment.
I just drained, flushed and sanitized the fresh water about a week ago
in preparation for packing up and heading south.
Speedy
2004-09-26 04:04:37 UTC
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Hi Lee,
Sounds like you've found the problem. We really have two different
setups. My fresh water tank is in the same location as yours however
it's under the floor (between the floor and the chassis rails).
Actually, it sits above the rails and just about over the rear axle and
aft of the gray tank. The fresh tank just isn't visible from anyplace.
The space under the bed is just storage except for some duct work from
the engine aux. heater along the rear wall.
Interestingly, I don't have a second/rear drain. It sure would be nice
to have one. It takes 2 hours or more to drain the 60 gallons. The
drain is only about a 3/8" tube. Someone else mentioned opening faucets
and running the pump. That would pump the fresh water through the
faucets and then into the gray tank. I think if I'm ever in a rush
that's what I'll do.
Don't worry about me heading south and running into Jeanne. My mother
raised pretty kids, not dumb ones!
Good luck to you with the storm. I hope you're in a safe place.
Speedy
I just thought of something. Mine has an overflow drain for
over-filling the tank. It drains, for some reason inside the left rear
wheels and just forward of the axle. I think that may double as a vent.
You might try filling the tank all the way and look for the over flow
drain. It could possibly have a check valve in the overflow line.
Post by Lee Bray
Hi Speedy
As I have said I think it was an error on my part not following
proper procedures..... I opened the two low level valves, and the one
in the electric area and it collapsed. Lucky for me I remembered
about applying heat and pushing against the sides to make it pop back
in without any damage (or so I think).... I failed to open the cold tank
valve and did not leave the cover off the inlet. Also I opened the
rear tank drain which I had not even used as I figured it was one of
the two overflows. There were no instruction about the tank or
dumping the water. I do have all the manuals though for the coach.
My tank is located right under the Queen Bed in the rear of the coach
the platform is hinged and you just lift it and the mattress up and
there it is also
in there is the heating ducts for the 2d heater for the rear portion
of the coach.
Don't rush your trip South or you may run into Jeanne! Like I
said this was only the second time it happened to me but both in a
row. I have done it many times before with no problem, so am sure it
is just something I forgot to do or leave open. Old age does cause
problems sometimes.
If you ever have it happen just apply heat from a hair dryer to
the place where the tank bends and push with arm and it will pop out.
At least I did that right! (grinning)
Happy Trails
Lee
Lee Bray
2004-09-26 13:03:44 UTC
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Hi Speedy

I know where the overflow drains are, I did read someplace when you
fill up you will know it is full when you see it running out those
overfill drains. As I said it probably was me and doing something dumb.
But then you never forget when you make your own error, so I have a
lot to remember (grin)....

I would have liked that storage area but one thing with the cold water
tank inside the chance of it freezing up is slim to none as long as
there is heat inside. All my lines are inside the coach as far as I can
see except for the fill area which is also enclosed but not heated. It
does take some time to drain but sure seems to empty fast when the wife
uses it!!! But 60 gallons is sufficient when used sparingly.

So far Jacksonville has only moderate to high winds. I took our dog
Dutchess for her walk around 5:45 this morning and the winds were fairly
strong but felt good. A few times the gusts made me slow down just from
the pressure but nothing really serious. We all ready have had power
outages in town but so far I have retained power, but do have the cords
and stuff set up in case so I can start the Genny.


Take care and keep up with the weather reports before entering
SE US. Happy trails

Lee
Post by Speedy
Hi Lee,
Sounds like you've found the problem. We really have two different
setups. My fresh water tank is in the same location as yours however
it's under the floor (between the floor and the chassis rails).
Actually, it sits above the rails and just about over the rear axle and
aft of the gray tank. The fresh tank just isn't visible from anyplace.
The space under the bed is just storage except for some duct work from
the engine aux. heater along the rear wall.
Interestingly, I don't have a second/rear drain. It sure would be nice
to have one. It takes 2 hours or more to drain the 60 gallons. The
drain is only about a 3/8" tube. Someone else mentioned opening faucets
and running the pump. That would pump the fresh water through the
faucets and then into the gray tank. I think if I'm ever in a rush
that's what I'll do.
Don't worry about me heading south and running into Jeanne. My mother
raised pretty kids, not dumb ones!
Good luck to you with the storm. I hope you're in a safe place.
Speedy
Lon VanOstran
2004-09-26 13:50:04 UTC
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Post by Lee Bray
I have not found any vent and it (the
tank) is under the bed making it difficult to check. Believe me I have
looked. Lucky for me heat applied to the tank made it quite easy to pop
it out easily.
Lee
There has to be an overflow in case you over fill the tank. That should also
serve as a vent. On your Cruise Master, it should run off the back of the tank,
and through the floor and basement. It should be hanging out the bottom of the
MH, between the frame rails and really close to the rear. I would bet that it's
plugged with something.

Lon
Lee Bray
2004-09-26 14:19:59 UTC
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Hi Lon

I know where the overflows (2) are in the coach, as I have said it
probably was my screw up by not opening the fill inlet (rubber gasket)
and opening the cold tank drain. The overfill tubes have a built in
pinch in them to preclude insects from crawling up the tubes when not in
use! Read that someplace! Anyways will do it right the next time and
hopefully all will be well.

Hope you and of course the better half (good looking one!) are doing
well. Sounds as if you are having fun! I try to keep up with all of
those travelers and see what they are up to other than the "P" contests.
We have been grounded for a bit as the wife is having some serious
dental work done and doctors appointments. But will hit the road soon I
hope, am getting cabin fever!

Lee and Renate
Post by Lon VanOstran
There has to be an overflow in case you over fill the tank. That should also
serve as a vent. On your Cruise Master, it should run off the back of the tank,
and through the floor and basement. It should be hanging out the bottom of the
MH, between the frame rails and really close to the rear. I would bet that it's
plugged with something.
Will Sill
2004-09-26 16:12:39 UTC
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Post by Lee Bray
I know where the overflows (2) are in the coach, as I have said it
probably was my screw up by not opening the fill inlet (rubber gasket)
and opening the cold tank drain. The overfill tubes have a built in
pinch in them to preclude insects from crawling up the tubes when not in
use! Read that someplace! Anyways will do it right the next time and
hopefully all will be well.
Lee, I trust you haven't been driven out by the Big Blow.

One additional bit of advice: you alluded to the drain tubes having a
pinch - that's a common and accepted design feature - BUT, if the
overflow is so equipped AND your filler fitting doesn't readily admit
air, you are back to quare one - pulling a partial vaccum when pumping
down or draining. Free advice: take a close look at the fill
opening, and assure that air CAN get in during normal use. You should
not have to do anything special for that to happen.

IOW, I do NOT think you did something wrong - I still think there is a
vent blockage somewhere, whether in the fill cap or elsewhere.

DISCLAIMER:
My advice can't be trusted. I have no college degrees and know almost
nothing except what I've learned from almost a half century of rv'ing
and many years doing engineering work. I've never towed a 34' TT with
an Intrepid or Cherokee but have survived many equally stupid tricks.
I currently own NO Banks headers, fuel magnets, deer whistles, "Smart"
solenoids or louvered tailgates. I've never deliberately allowed a
holding tank to freeze solid, and have no financial interest in
whether you join RVCG, wear clothes, use the Michelin RV tire guide to
justify overinflating your tires or hate Firestone. If you take my
advice, I guarantee absolutely NOTHING. Got that?
Will Sill
William Boyd
2004-09-26 16:31:10 UTC
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Post by Will Sill
Post by Lee Bray
I know where the overflows (2) are in the coach, as I have said it
probably was my screw up by not opening the fill inlet (rubber gasket)
and opening the cold tank drain. The overfill tubes have a built in
pinch in them to preclude insects from crawling up the tubes when not in
use! Read that someplace! Anyways will do it right the next time and
hopefully all will be well.
Lee, I trust you haven't been driven out by the Big Blow.
One additional bit of advice: you alluded to the drain tubes having a
pinch - that's a common and accepted design feature - BUT, if the
overflow is so equipped AND your filler fitting doesn't readily admit
air, you are back to quare one - pulling a partial vaccum when pumping
down or draining. Free advice: take a close look at the fill
opening, and assure that air CAN get in during normal use. You should
not have to do anything special for that to happen.
IOW, I do NOT think you did something wrong - I still think there is a
vent blockage somewhere, whether in the fill cap or elsewhere.
The BELLIGERENT ONE is correct, almost, the part about the drain pulling
a vacuum enough to claps the tank is incorrect. Given the weight of
water and the size of the drain tubing coupled with the distance, it
would hardly have enough weight to pull that much. It was the pump
pulling the water out of the tank and no way to replace the ambiance
air. No action should be required to drain the tank except open the
drain valve, just like you did. The tank was more than likely collapsed
the last time you ran the pump. Clean the dirt dobber nest out of the
vent pipe.

BILL P.
William Boyd
2004-09-26 16:53:05 UTC
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Post by William Boyd
Post by Will Sill
Post by Lee Bray
I know where the overflows (2) are in the coach, as I have said
it probably was my screw up by not opening the fill inlet (rubber
gasket) and opening the cold tank drain. The overfill tubes have a
built in pinch in them to preclude insects from crawling up the tubes
when not in use! Read that someplace! Anyways will do it right the
next time and hopefully all will be well.
Lee, I trust you haven't been driven out by the Big Blow.
One additional bit of advice: you alluded to the drain tubes having a
pinch - that's a common and accepted design feature - BUT, if the
overflow is so equipped AND your filler fitting doesn't readily admit
air, you are back to quare one - pulling a partial vaccum when pumping
down or draining. Free advice: take a close look at the fill
opening, and assure that air CAN get in during normal use. You should
not have to do anything special for that to happen.
IOW, I do NOT think you did something wrong - I still think there is a
vent blockage somewhere, whether in the fill cap or elsewhere.
The BELLIGERENT ONE is correct, almost, the part about the drain pulling
a vacuum enough to claps the tank is incorrect. Given the weight of
water and the size of the drain tubing coupled with the distance, it
would hardly have enough weight to pull that much. It was the pump
pulling the water out of the tank and no way to replace the ambiance
air. No action should be required to drain the tank except open the
drain valve, just like you did. The tank was more than likely collapsed
the last time you ran the pump. Clean the dirt dobber nest out of the
vent pipe.
BILL P.
http://rv.lifetips.com/faq.asp__Q__SiteID__E__449__A__QuestionID__E__28767__A__type__E__0

1. Draining Fresh Water Tanks
To drain your fresh water tank, locate the drain valve. This is usually
located outside the rig near the water tank. Open this valve and let the
tank drain until empty (you can remove the fill cap to let air enter and
speed things up a bit). If the tank has no drain valve you will need to
empty it by running the water out of a faucet. If you do this make sure
that you do not let the water pump run dry. Make sure to close the tank
drain valve when done so that no foreign objects can enter the water system.

BILL P.
Lee Bray
2004-09-26 17:58:21 UTC
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Thanks Bill

I am sure your reference will help others if they have the same
problem. The site also has some other information that might help
people who have problems or are buying for the first time. Thanks again.

Lee
Post by William Boyd
http://rv.lifetips.com/faq.asp__Q__SiteID__E__449__A__QuestionID__E__28767__A__type__E__0
1. Draining Fresh Water Tanks
To drain your fresh water tank, locate the drain valve. This is usually
located outside the rig near the water tank. Open this valve and let the
tank drain until empty (you can remove the fill cap to let air enter and
speed things up a bit). If the tank has no drain valve you will need to
empty it by running the water out of a faucet. If you do this make sure
that you do not let the water pump run dry. Make sure to close the tank
drain valve when done so that no foreign objects can enter the water system.
BILL P.
Lee Bray
2004-09-26 17:39:42 UTC
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Hi Bill

No pump was working it was just draining and no it was not from a
previous occurrence as I had straightened it out after my last fiasco.
But we will find out after I drain it again as soon as the storm passes
and all is safe, right now it is giving me an additional 480 + pounds of
ballast to hold the MH in place (grin).... I found no venting area and
have explained that I did not take the fill tube cover off so am
thinking that was my problem. Will find out in the next couple of days.

Lee
Post by William Boyd
The BELLIGERENT ONE is correct, almost, the part about the drain pulling
a vacuum enough to claps the tank is incorrect. Given the weight of
water and the size of the drain tubing coupled with the distance, it
would hardly have enough weight to pull that much. It was the pump
pulling the water out of the tank and no way to replace the ambiance
air. No action should be required to drain the tank except open the
drain valve, just like you did. The tank was more than likely collapsed
the last time you ran the pump. Clean the dirt dobber nest out of the
vent pipe.
BILL P.
William Boyd
2004-09-26 19:06:06 UTC
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Post by Lee Bray
Hi Bill
No pump was working it was just draining and no it was not from a
previous occurrence as I had straightened it out after my last fiasco.
But we will find out after I drain it again as soon as the storm passes
and all is safe, right now it is giving me an additional 480 + pounds of
ballast to hold the MH in place (grin).... I found no venting area and
have explained that I did not take the fill tube cover off so am
thinking that was my problem. Will find out in the next couple of days.
Lee
Yes you did do something wrong, you didn't get out of there when you had
plenty of time, just think you could have gone out to Yellowstone and
enjoyed some of the scenery. But the best thing you could do now is run
up to Perry and park on the other side of Hunter so she don't blow away.
Considering ballast, why don't you fill the holding tanks.

BILL P.
Lee Bray
2004-09-26 20:08:20 UTC
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Hi Bill

Right now they are forecasting winds up to 50, it is overcast and
raining. Yep but dental and medical are keeping us close to home. Hey I
gotta be careful, parking to close to Hunter could get me in trouble.
The wife will be asking why? You know Blond es have more fun and my
wife is a Brunette! As far as ballast I did fill up the holding tank so
we are close to the 21k weight.

I betcha Hunter is not alone, she always attracts company! Male or
female. The females are trying to keep their husbands away! (Lee
running and ducking)

Lee
Post by William Boyd
Yes you did do something wrong, you didn't get out of there when you had
plenty of time, just think you could have gone out to Yellowstone and
enjoyed some of the scenery. But the best thing you could do now is run
up to Perry and park on the other side of Hunter so she don't blow away.
Considering ballast, why don't you fill the holding tanks.
BILL P.
HHamp5246
2004-09-26 20:17:39 UTC
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I betcha Hunter is not alone, she always attracts company! Male or female.
The females are trying to keep their husbands away! (Lee
Post by Lee Bray
running and ducking)
Lee
You are so bad....... you're right though, I've been hanging out with a nice
couple from Michigan. She and I went shopping this morning, at Wally World, and
they both just came over to see the trailer and hang out.

He's a retired cop and she's a retired nurse from Troy, MI. They are in their
Airstream motorhome on the way to close on the house they bought in Melbourne,
FL. Uh oh..... here's hoping it's still there.

Hunter
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"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting
"...holy shit...what a ride!"
Lee Bray
2004-09-26 21:17:42 UTC
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Hi Hunter

Hope you are hunkering down, storm is doing a job on south Georgia and
NE Florida. High winds, rain and tornadoes. But so far we are doing
OK. Less problems than before. So far no leak in the Den but I
probably hexed myself when I said that. See I was right one male and 1
female trying to keep the hubby under her wing!! (grin) Ah you ended
up being married you would have to give up the good life and go back to
housekeeping and a hubby!


Lee
Post by HHamp5246
You are so bad....... you're right though, I've been hanging out with a nice
couple from Michigan. She and I went shopping this morning, at Wally World, and
they both just came over to see the trailer and hang out.
He's a retired cop and she's a retired nurse from Troy, MI. They are in their
Airstream motorhome on the way to close on the house they bought in Melbourne,
FL. Uh oh..... here's hoping it's still there.
HHamp5246
2004-09-26 21:40:05 UTC
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Hope you are hunkering down, storm is doing a job on south Georgia and NE
Florida. High winds, rain and tornadoes. But so far we are doing
OK. Less problems than before. >
Glad you're doing okay. Patti's getting a tremendous amount of rain.... the
dock on the pond has water almost up to the railing..... which is waist high.

The good news is the eagle nest is doing fine....so far.

< See I was right one male and 1 female trying to keep the hubby under her
wing!!>

LOL, no one has to worry about their hubby around me.... If I wanted one I'd go
get my own, not someone else's.

<Ah you ended up being married you would have to give up the good life and go
back to
housekeeping and a hubby!>
No thanks, been there done that....

It's starting to sprinkle lightly...... a slight breeze is all.

Hunter

Hunter
Lee
Post by HHamp5246
You are so bad....... you're right though, I've been hanging out with a
nice
Post by HHamp5246
couple from Michigan. She and I went shopping this morning, at Wally World,
and
Post by HHamp5246
they both just came over to see the trailer and hang out.
He's a retired cop and she's a retired nurse from Troy, MI. They are in
their
Post by HHamp5246
Airstream motorhome on the way to close on the house they bought in
Melbourne,
Post by HHamp5246
FL. Uh oh..... here's hoping it's still there.
http://members.aol.com/ILuvBrady/summer2004.htm

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting
"...holy shit...what a ride!"
Lee Bray
2004-09-26 23:45:29 UTC
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Hi Hunter

As I said I hexed myself, the leak in the den started again so I will
make the assumption the East winds with rain are blowing in under the
shingles causing the leak. Yes I can imagine she must be as we are
getting quite a bit here in Jacksonville. Glad to hear all your
favorites are doing OK for now. I had to run to the neighbors house as
she could not get hold of her husband. Man is it wet out there. He is
worse off than I his phone is out and he had his cell turned off.

Not sure I would re marry again either. something to say about peace
and quiet! (grinning) Hope you don't get too much but am afraid if what
we are getting is any indication you should be getting a lot more in the
next few hours.

Take care and be careful yourself.

Lee and Renate
Post by HHamp5246
Glad you're doing okay. Patti's getting a tremendous amount of rain.... the
dock on the pond has water almost up to the railing..... which is waist high.
The good news is the eagle nest is doing fine....so far.
LOL, no one has to worry about their hubby around me.... If I wanted one I'd go
get my own, not someone else's.
No thanks, been there done that....
It's starting to sprinkle lightly...... a slight breeze is all.
William Boyd
2004-09-26 20:42:40 UTC
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Post by Lee Bray
Hi Bill
Right now they are forecasting winds up to 50, it is overcast and
raining. Yep but dental and medical are keeping us close to home. Hey I
gotta be careful, parking to close to Hunter could get me in trouble.
The wife will be asking why? You know Blond es have more fun and my
wife is a Brunette! As far as ballast I did fill up the holding tank so
we are close to the 21k weight.
I betcha Hunter is not alone, she always attracts company! Male or
female. The females are trying to keep their husbands away! (Lee
running and ducking)
Lee
I think if I move to Florida I will put in mooring tie downs for my RV.
But I'm like many Florida residents probably are like now, hesitant to
move there. As vulnerable as Florida is I think Texas coast would be
safer. The folks down there were very friendly when I was there in July.
I am going through what Bob Hatch is doing, selling out every thing at
the old homestead. Just sold my bailer today ten thousand things to go.
To get a fair price for possessions you have to take your time, seems as
though they want you to give it away.
As for Hunter, I'm afraid my voltage regulator is not set for that much
current. Frequency is more than likely to slow also, but what a way to
go. Hot Screaming Shit Hoppie might Ride again, HI HO SILVER, ut oh
wrong horse, Dammed, cant even get that right.

Well any way You'll watch those falling trees they can hurt you.

BILL P.
Lee Bray
2004-09-26 21:31:02 UTC
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Hi Bill

As any native Floridian can tell you this is not a normal sequence of
events. But mooring lines might be a good idea. There is a law here in
Florida for factory built homes to be tied down. Even with that you can
see the destruction caused by the hurricanes and high winds. We have
had flickering lights and all but so far no outages at this end. Hey
Texas gets their share of storms also. I have an Aunt NW of Houston,
she had reported some storms we never even saw. We are in a natural
curve on the coast line and it has helped Jacksonville miss a lot of
storm damages. How true, I don't even like to do a garage sale I would
prefer giving it to Vietnam Vets or Good Will instead of people picking
through my stuff. Hell you put a low price on the goods and then they
want even lower.

As far as Hunter goes she is a sparky blond, independent and free! I
think she prefers that. I think she has been on her own for so long now
she would prefer to stay that way. Of course just personal opinion and
you know how that goes. Hey Topper might not like that Hi Ho Silver
stuff! (grin) Course with a name such as yours I am sure you knew that
all the time! (Laughing) Funny how it stuck with him!
I remember him from all the movies and shorts over the years.
http://www.hopalong.com/legend.htm,,,,Boyd didn't sing, dance, play
football, baseball or basketball, nor did he box or play tennis or race
cars. Boyd was merely HOPALONG CASSIDY. He smiled, waved, and shook
hands. He was simply...Mr. Good guy...everybody's favorite
cowboy...everybody's FRIEND, BUDDY, PAL and IMMORTAL
HERO....................... One of the good guys!!!! Loved his voice also.

Lee (a cowboy movie fan!)
Post by William Boyd
I think if I move to Florida I will put in mooring tie downs for my RV.
But I'm like many Florida residents probably are like now, hesitant to
move there. As vulnerable as Florida is I think Texas coast would be
safer. The folks down there were very friendly when I was there in July.
I am going through what Bob Hatch is doing, selling out every thing at
the old homestead. Just sold my bailer today ten thousand things to go.
To get a fair price for possessions you have to take your time, seems as
though they want you to give it away.
As for Hunter, I'm afraid my voltage regulator is not set for that much
current. Frequency is more than likely to slow also, but what a way to
go. Hot Screaming Shit Hoppie might Ride again, HI HO SILVER, ut oh
wrong horse, Dammed, cant even get that right.
Well any way You'll watch those falling trees they can hurt you.
Lee Bray
2004-09-26 17:34:22 UTC
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Hi Will

No still have not left, it looks at the present we have lucked out.
There are some gusts and rain but nothing really serious, expected to
increase around 1 or later. I just hope we made the right decision to
stay.

As I said the filler tube was blocked by the rubber cover when
I drained the tank, it is on there to keep stuff out I guess, and I had
not opened the cold tank drain, that is why I think it was me doing it
wrong! Hell easier to take the blame than trying to blame it on the
wife! (grin)

Like I said I will go out after the storm and turn on the cold tank
drain and leave the filler tube uncovered and see what happens. To be
sure I will report it back here! Maybe someone else will be helped.
Hey always new lessons to be learned. I have not had this problem
before so I think it was something I did as it did work before properly.


Lee
Post by Will Sill
Lee, I trust you haven't been driven out by the Big Blow.
One additional bit of advice: you alluded to the drain tubes having a
pinch - that's a common and accepted design feature - BUT, if the
overflow is so equipped AND your filler fitting doesn't readily admit
air, you are back to quare one - pulling a partial vaccum when pumping
down or draining. Free advice: take a close look at the fill
opening, and assure that air CAN get in during normal use. You should
not have to do anything special for that to happen.
IOW, I do NOT think you did something wrong - I still think there is a
vent blockage somewhere, whether in the fill cap or elsewhere.
William Boyd
2004-09-26 15:16:31 UTC
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Post by Lon VanOstran
Post by Lee Bray
I have not found any vent and it (the
tank) is under the bed making it difficult to check. Believe me I have
looked. Lucky for me heat applied to the tank made it quite easy to pop
it out easily.
Lee
There has to be an overflow in case you over fill the tank. That should also
serve as a vent. On your Cruise Master, it should run off the back of the tank,
and through the floor and basement. It should be hanging out the bottom of the
MH, between the frame rails and really close to the rear. I would bet that it's
plugged with something.
Lon
My 2005, Wildcat has a similar setup, but I haven't had time to really
check it out. When I was sanitizing the system, filling the tank,
evidently it got full and started running out the bottom of the trailer,
I thought I had a leak and about then the filler started overflowing.
I also noticed the vent hole at the filler was caulked up, so I will
have to pull part of the floor cover down and see what the arrangement
is. I know all of my previous RVs had the vent right at the filler hole.
There are several things that are different from the 2004 brochure.
JPinOH
2004-09-27 01:47:24 UTC
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Post by Lon VanOstran
There has to be an overflow in case you over fill the tank. That should also
serve as a vent. On your Cruise Master, it should run off the back of the tank,
and through the floor and basement. It should be hanging out the bottom of the
MH, between the frame rails and really close to the rear. I would bet that it's
plugged with something.
In my Class B the vent line is routed into the filler hatch, and tends to
hold water since it's almost level. Either way, it doesn't take much to
block the line as I learned the first time I tried to dran my water tank. I
opened the valve and nothing came out of the drain. It turned out to be a
thin film of dried algae, like the skin of a bubble, inside the drain valve
holding back a tank full of water. Poked it out, I got wet, and it drained.
--
Jon
JPinOH

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