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charger disconnect on Magnetek 6300A Model 6345?
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WJW
2003-11-18 00:02:29 UTC
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For the life of me, I can not figure out how to disconnect the battery
charger on my Magnetek 45 amp 6300A power converter, model 6345 (with
charger option). None of the fuses or breakers appear to be related to the
charger. Any suggestions appreciated.

WJW
Colorado Springs, CO
Larrie Malobenski
2003-11-18 01:13:13 UTC
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The fuses and breakers are part of the distribution panel. The entire
converter with charger slides out of that after removing a few screws. Have
you gotten the 74XX upgrade yet? If so it should have came with a set of
instructions. Read them, Follow them. If your still confused go back to
Camping World and have them install it.
WJW
2003-11-18 01:23:22 UTC
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Tell me about this 74XX upgrade? I've been on the Parallax web site and
they only list the 7300RU series upgrade and that is also the only one that
Camping World mentioned to me. I have not upgraded yet but am planning to
do so ASAP, including a new coach battery. In the meantime, I was just
trying to figure out how to disable the 6300A battery charger until I can
get the upgrade.

WJW
Post by Larrie Malobenski
The fuses and breakers are part of the distribution panel. The entire
converter with charger slides out of that after removing a few screws. Have
you gotten the 74XX upgrade yet? If so it should have came with a set of
instructions. Read them, Follow them. If your still confused go back to
Camping World and have them install it.
GBinNC
2003-11-18 01:51:25 UTC
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Post by WJW
Tell me about this 74XX upgrade?
I think he probably meant 73XX.
Post by WJW
I have not upgraded yet but am planning to
do so ASAP, including a new coach battery.
I'm serious -- consider an AGM. You'll love not having to hassle with
it.
Post by WJW
In the meantime, I was just
trying to figure out how to disable the 6300A battery charger until I can
get the upgrade.
Why? (Not arguing, just curious.)

GB in NC
WJW
2003-11-18 02:13:26 UTC
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Post by GBinNC
Post by WJW
Tell me about this 74XX upgrade?
I think he probably meant 73XX.
Post by WJW
I have not upgraded yet but am planning to
do so ASAP, including a new coach battery.
I'm serious -- consider an AGM. You'll love not having to hassle with
it.
How can you tell if an AGM is getting overcharged or low on water...or does
it not matter with an AGM?
Post by GBinNC
Post by WJW
In the meantime, I was just
trying to figure out how to disable the 6300A battery charger until I can
get the upgrade.
Why? (Not arguing, just curious.)
The unit keeps overcharging (measured) on a deep cycle that is on its last
leg. I want to use the house-power without any charging activity...hence
disconnecting the charger until I can proceed with the 7300 upgrade.

WJW
Post by GBinNC
GB in NC
GBinNC
2003-11-18 02:35:55 UTC
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Post by WJW
How can you tell if an AGM is getting overcharged or low on water...or does
it not matter with an AGM?
I can't say about the overcharging. I never check mine <g>. All I know
is that it's always fully charged and holds a charge for a very long
time.

As to water, there's none to check. AGM = "absorbent glass mat" (the
"glass" means fiberglass). The solution is permanently held in the
fiberglass panels. There is a recovery system for any moisture that
manages to escape the mat, and it ends up back in the fiberglass
again. The batteries are sealed and in fact can be mounted in any
position except upside down with no ill effects. They can also be used
safely in non-vented living areas because they are sealed. (There's a
guy on the NG -- can't remember who right now -- who has had one lying
on its side under the back seat of a minivan, for auxiliary power, for
four or five years.)

They are warranted (prorated) for five years in RV applications. My
first one developed a dead cell after about 2 1/2 years. I called the
factory and gave them the voltage readings I'd taken over several
hours. They immediately agreed to overnight-ship a replacement and
charge me for two years -- 40% of the price (they paid for the
shipping).

I told them it was the house battery in an RV, but they didn't ask me
anything about how I was using it, or whether I keep it plugged in all
the time, or what kind of charger I had, or anything else. They didn't
even ask for proof of purchase (I told them when I had bought it and
from whom), nor did they want the bad battery returned.

The whole phone conversation took about a minute and was no hassle at
all. I had my battery the next day. (They shipped it to my MIL's
house, since we were going to be there.) They're not cheap, but the
cost comes out, over five years, to about $3/mo. It's well worth that
to me not to have to even think about it, let alone mess with it.

My house battery is a nightmare to get to anyway, which is the main
reason I bought the AGM in the first place. Now, having gotten used to
it, I can't imagine ever going back to a regular battery that needs
checking and maintaining.

I don't mean to sound like a commercial, but I really like not having
to deal with batteries. I have plenty else to do with my time.
Post by WJW
Post by GBinNC
Why? (Not arguing, just curious.)
The unit keeps overcharging (measured) on a deep cycle that is on its last
leg. I want to use the house-power without any charging activity...hence
disconnecting the charger until I can proceed with the 7300 upgrade.
Ah. Makes good sense.

GB in NC
WJW
2003-11-18 03:03:43 UTC
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What is the brand, size and cost of your AGM and would it be sufficient for
my 27' Class-C?

WJW
Post by GBinNC
Post by WJW
How can you tell if an AGM is getting overcharged or low on water...or does
it not matter with an AGM?
I can't say about the overcharging. I never check mine <g>. All I know
is that it's always fully charged and holds a charge for a very long
time.
As to water, there's none to check. AGM = "absorbent glass mat" (the
"glass" means fiberglass). The solution is permanently held in the
fiberglass panels. There is a recovery system for any moisture that
manages to escape the mat, and it ends up back in the fiberglass
again. The batteries are sealed and in fact can be mounted in any
position except upside down with no ill effects. They can also be used
safely in non-vented living areas because they are sealed. (There's a
guy on the NG -- can't remember who right now -- who has had one lying
on its side under the back seat of a minivan, for auxiliary power, for
four or five years.)
They are warranted (prorated) for five years in RV applications. My
first one developed a dead cell after about 2 1/2 years. I called the
factory and gave them the voltage readings I'd taken over several
hours. They immediately agreed to overnight-ship a replacement and
charge me for two years -- 40% of the price (they paid for the
shipping).
I told them it was the house battery in an RV, but they didn't ask me
anything about how I was using it, or whether I keep it plugged in all
the time, or what kind of charger I had, or anything else. They didn't
even ask for proof of purchase (I told them when I had bought it and
from whom), nor did they want the bad battery returned.
The whole phone conversation took about a minute and was no hassle at
all. I had my battery the next day. (They shipped it to my MIL's
house, since we were going to be there.) They're not cheap, but the
cost comes out, over five years, to about $3/mo. It's well worth that
to me not to have to even think about it, let alone mess with it.
My house battery is a nightmare to get to anyway, which is the main
reason I bought the AGM in the first place. Now, having gotten used to
it, I can't imagine ever going back to a regular battery that needs
checking and maintaining.
I don't mean to sound like a commercial, but I really like not having
to deal with batteries. I have plenty else to do with my time.
Post by WJW
Post by GBinNC
Why? (Not arguing, just curious.)
The unit keeps overcharging (measured) on a deep cycle that is on its last
leg. I want to use the house-power without any charging activity...hence
disconnecting the charger until I can proceed with the 7300 upgrade.
Ah. Makes good sense.
GB in NC
GBinNC
2003-11-18 03:59:05 UTC
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Post by WJW
What is the brand, size and cost of your AGM and would it be sufficient for
my 27' Class-C?
You can get them in whatever size you need.

Mine is a Group 24 (that's all I have room for). It's a Lifeline brand
and cost me $150 + $20 for UPS shipping to my door.

Suggest you surf ("Lifeline AGM" ought to do it) for the best current
deal -- and the closest distributor, to minimize shipping costs. It
really doesn't seem to matter who you buy it from -- the factory will
handle any warranty issues, I presume, like they did for me.

GB in NC
DM_Callier
2003-11-18 15:44:02 UTC
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It's the breaker switch that makes the "Hummmm" go away...can't remember
which one that is.
Post by WJW
Tell me about this 74XX upgrade? I've been on the Parallax web site and
they only list the 7300RU series upgrade and that is also the only one that
Camping World mentioned to me. I have not upgraded yet but am planning to
do so ASAP, including a new coach battery. In the meantime, I was just
trying to figure out how to disable the 6300A battery charger until I can
get the upgrade.
WJW
Post by Larrie Malobenski
The fuses and breakers are part of the distribution panel. The entire
converter with charger slides out of that after removing a few screws.
Have
Post by Larrie Malobenski
you gotten the 74XX upgrade yet? If so it should have came with a set of
instructions. Read them, Follow them. If your still confused go back to
Camping World and have them install it.
HDinNY
2003-11-18 21:20:04 UTC
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Post by DM_Callier
It's the breaker switch that makes the "Hummmm" go away...can't remember
which one that is.
snipped

On our Award, the convertor was dying so I kicked it off
line with the breaker and substituted a solid state battery
charger. Worked fine. I had to find the 120v wire that fed
the convertor and move it to a new breaker I added.
HD in NY
Mark Borgerson
2003-11-18 22:16:36 UTC
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Post by DM_Callier
It's the breaker switch that makes the "Hummmm" go away...can't remember
which one that is.
On my '86 Fleetwood, it's the larger breaker nearest the middle
of the panel. Unfortunately, shutting this one off also shuts
off the interior AC outlets. I also have an overcharging
problem when on AC power for long periods. I'm eagerly awaiting
my 7300 upgrade unit---which is on a UPS truck somewhere between
Illinois and Oregon.

Mark Borgerson
Post by DM_Callier
Post by WJW
Tell me about this 74XX upgrade? I've been on the Parallax web site and
they only list the 7300RU series upgrade and that is also the only one
that
Post by WJW
Camping World mentioned to me. I have not upgraded yet but am planning to
do so ASAP, including a new coach battery. In the meantime, I was just
trying to figure out how to disable the 6300A battery charger until I can
get the upgrade.
WJW
Post by Larrie Malobenski
The fuses and breakers are part of the distribution panel. The entire
converter with charger slides out of that after removing a few screws.
Have
Post by Larrie Malobenski
you gotten the 74XX upgrade yet? If so it should have came with a set of
instructions. Read them, Follow them. If your still confused go back to
Camping World and have them install it.
GBinNC
2003-11-18 01:36:14 UTC
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:13:13 -0500, "Larrie Malobenski"
Post by Larrie Malobenski
The fuses and breakers are part of the distribution panel. The entire
converter with charger slides out of that after removing a few screws. Have
you gotten the 74XX upgrade yet? If so it should have came with a set of
instructions. Read them, Follow them. If your still confused go back to
Camping World and have them install it.
It's worth mentioning that the upgrade comes with a new fuse panel
which must be used to replace the old one. But this is covered in the
directions.

GB in NC
Frank Howell
2003-11-18 14:49:00 UTC
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What I did was remove the wires from lugs "C" and "D". Of course those wires
have the voltage that is coming from your battery and should be insulated if
kept off.

Frank Howell
Post by WJW
For the life of me, I can not figure out how to disconnect the battery
charger on my Magnetek 45 amp 6300A power converter, model 6345 (with
charger option). None of the fuses or breakers appear to be related to the
charger. Any suggestions appreciated.
WJW
Colorado Springs, CO
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