Les Schwab batteries?

Post by Pegleg
Anyone had experience with these? I understand they recently changed
manufacturers.
Am looking at their Power Pack Deep Cycle for my new "house" battery,
750-850 CCA.

No experience here. From what I have been able to dig up, it looks like they
market batteries under thier tire center name. My impression is that they
don't make the batteries themselves, which is quite common. However, the
tire center itself appears to get good marks:
http://www.jdpower.com/news/releases/pressrelease.asp?ID=2002050

--
Jon
JPinOH

Pegleg

2005-10-16 17:25:20 UTC

Post by Jon Porter
No experience here. From what I have been able to dig up, it looks like they
market batteries under thier tire center name. My impression is that they
don't make the batteries themselves, which is quite common. However, the
http://www.jdpower.com/news/releases/pressrelease.asp?ID=2002050

Thanks for the link Jon. I am new to the Les Schwab market area
(Pacific North West) and have heard good things about their tire
service. Apparently they had some problems with their previous battery
supplier and recently made a change. Was hoping to find out who is
making them now.

I am really a Trojan fan but the closest distributor is over 100 miles
away so thought I would try to give some local business my money.

Thanks again,

George E. Cawthon

2005-10-16 21:21:39 UTC

Thanks for the link Jon. I am new to the Les Schwab market area
(Pacific North West) and have heard good things about their tire
service. Apparently they had some problems with their previous battery
supplier and recently made a change. Was hoping to find out who is
making them now.
I am really a Trojan fan but the closest distributor is over 100 miles
away so thought I would try to give some local business my money.
Thanks again,

I wouldn't worry. You may be able to to get a
better battery elsewhere but the price would be
considerably higher. The reason you wouldn't need
to worry is that they likely have a better
guarantee than anywhere else.

As for Les Schwab, they have better service and
guarantees that most, if not, all other tire
stores. And of course they don't make their own
tires, batteries or anything else, they just
provide exceptional service.

Since you are new to the northwest, please forget
all the BS you hear about replacing tires every 5
years. With lower humidity and lower
temperatures, tire rot is considerably lower than
in the south or east. I have 11 year old tires on
my TT, 9 year olds on a car, 5 year old originals
on my truck, and 5 year olds (courtesy of Les
Schwab and the Firestone mess) on my Explorer.
All look like new tires. I have never replaced a
tire because of age condition except a for a pair
showed splits in the casing (long, long ago) and
that was with tires that were very old.

William Boyd

2005-10-16 22:02:53 UTC

I wouldn't worry. You may be able to to get a better battery elsewhere
but the price would be considerably higher. The reason you wouldn't
need to worry is that they likely have a better guarantee than anywhere
else.
As for Les Schwab, they have better service and guarantees that most, if
not, all other tire stores. And of course they don't make their own
tires, batteries or anything else, they just provide exceptional service.
Since you are new to the northwest, please forget all the BS you hear
about replacing tires every 5 years. With lower humidity and lower
temperatures, tire rot is considerably lower than in the south or east.
I have 11 year old tires on my TT, 9 year olds on a car, 5 year old
originals on my truck, and 5 year olds (courtesy of Les Schwab and the
Firestone mess) on my Explorer. All look like new tires. I have never
replaced a tire because of age condition except a for a pair showed
splits in the casing (long, long ago) and that was with tires that were
very old.

You just lost all creditability that you had or thought you had, with
your advice on tire aging. Poor Les Schwab, most probably has suffered
by your support for them. Unless a more creditable source can vouch for
their service, you have done them an injustice.

--
BILL P.
Just Me
&
DOG

George E. Cawthon

2005-10-17 01:50:53 UTC

Post by William Boyd

I wouldn't worry. You may be able to to get a better battery
elsewhere but the price would be considerably higher. The reason you
wouldn't need to worry is that they likely have a better guarantee
than anywhere else.
As for Les Schwab, they have better service and guarantees that most,
if not, all other tire stores. And of course they don't make their
own tires, batteries or anything else, they just provide exceptional
service.
Since you are new to the northwest, please forget all the BS you hear
about replacing tires every 5 years. With lower humidity and lower
temperatures, tire rot is considerably lower than in the south or
east. I have 11 year old tires on my TT, 9 year olds on a car, 5 year
old originals on my truck, and 5 year olds (courtesy of Les Schwab and
the Firestone mess) on my Explorer. All look like new tires. I have
never replaced a tire because of age condition except a for a pair
showed splits in the casing (long, long ago) and that was with tires
that were very old.

Hmm. You over your constipation?

351CJ

2005-10-19 02:16:00 UTC

I wouldn't worry. You may be able to to get a better battery elsewhere
but the price would be considerably higher. The reason you wouldn't need
to worry is that they likely have a better guarantee than anywhere else.
As for Les Schwab, they have better service and guarantees that most, if
not, all other tire stores. And of course they don't make their own
tires, batteries or anything else, they just provide exceptional service.
Since you are new to the northwest, please forget all the BS you hear
about replacing tires every 5 years. With lower humidity and lower
temperatures, tire rot is considerably lower than in the south or east.
I have 11 year old tires on my TT, 9 year olds on a car, 5 year old
originals on my truck, and 5 year olds (courtesy of Les Schwab and the
Firestone mess) on my Explorer. All look like new tires. I have never
replaced a tire because of age condition except a for a pair showed
splits in the casing (long, long ago) and that was with tires that were
very old.

You just lost all creditability that you had or thought you had, with your
advice on tire aging. Poor Les Schwab, most probably has suffered by your
support for them. Unless a more creditable source can vouch for their
service, you have done them an injustice.
--
BILL P.
Just Me
&
DOG

And Your vast credibility has been amassed how?
Who the hell appointed you the tire aging god?
Can you disprove anything George has presented?

George's comments about Les Schwab was right on!
And having absolutely safely run many sets of tires in the pacific northwest
for more than 10 years I have to say George's comments on tire life in the
pacific northwest were spot on too...

This whole replace perfectly good tires nonsense has gone on way too long
anyway.
I replace my tires when they show signs of needing replacement, not at some
arbitrary date. I guess if you are too freakin lazy or too ignorant to
properly inspect your own tires you could settle for a supercilious schedule
instead.

George E. Cawthon

2005-10-19 05:17:44 UTC

Post by 351CJ

I wouldn't worry. You may be able to to get a better battery elsewhere
but the price would be considerably higher. The reason you wouldn't need
to worry is that they likely have a better guarantee than anywhere else.
As for Les Schwab, they have better service and guarantees that most, if
not, all other tire stores. And of course they don't make their own
tires, batteries or anything else, they just provide exceptional service.
Since you are new to the northwest, please forget all the BS you hear
about replacing tires every 5 years. With lower humidity and lower
temperatures, tire rot is considerably lower than in the south or east.
I have 11 year old tires on my TT, 9 year olds on a car, 5 year old
originals on my truck, and 5 year olds (courtesy of Les Schwab and the
Firestone mess) on my Explorer. All look like new tires. I have never
replaced a tire because of age condition except a for a pair showed
splits in the casing (long, long ago) and that was with tires that were
very old.

You just lost all creditability that you had or thought you had, with your
advice on tire aging. Poor Les Schwab, most probably has suffered by your
support for them. Unless a more creditable source can vouch for their
service, you have done them an injustice.
--
BILL P.
Just Me
&
DOG

And Your vast credibility has been amassed how?
Who the hell appointed you the tire aging god?
Can you disprove anything George has presented?
George's comments about Les Schwab was right on!
And having absolutely safely run many sets of tires in the pacific northwest
for more than 10 years I have to say George's comments on tire life in the
pacific northwest were spot on too...
This whole replace perfectly good tires nonsense has gone on way too long
anyway.
I replace my tires when they show signs of needing replacement, not at some
arbitrary date. I guess if you are too freakin lazy or too ignorant to
properly inspect your own tires you could settle for a supercilious schedule
instead.

Thanks. Nice to know there are a few people who
use their brains.

Lon VanOstran

2005-10-19 11:59:55 UTC

Post by 351CJ
And Your vast credibility has been amassed how?
Who the hell appointed you the tire aging god?
Can you disprove anything George has presented?
George's comments about Les Schwab was right on!
And having absolutely safely run many sets of tires in the pacific northwest
for more than 10 years I have to say George's comments on tire life in the
pacific northwest were spot on too...
This whole replace perfectly good tires nonsense has gone on way too long
anyway.
I replace my tires when they show signs of needing replacement, not at some
arbitrary date. I guess if you are too freakin lazy or too ignorant to
properly inspect your own tires you could settle for a supercilious schedule
instead.

What is it about this newsgroup which attracts so many idiots with a
death wish, and what makes them want to take others with them when they
go? Why do they think they know so much more than the tire manufacturers?

Lon

Will Sill

2005-10-19 12:34:10 UTC

Post by Lon VanOstran
What is it about this newsgroup which attracts so many idiots with a
death wish, and what makes them want to take others with them when they
go? Why do they think they know so much more than the tire manufacturers?

I dunno, but recent examples extend beyond stupid remarks about
running very old tires. One bozo recently recommended powering rv
120v systems with a double-male cord from an inverter. The flower pot
heating scheme was another case in point. Years back an Airstream
dealer advocated towing 9,000 lb TT's with an Intrepid, and of course
there is the Hensley barker and S10 Blazer with a 9,600 lb trailer.

But I have a (gasp!) theory: Ignorance and stupidity are always an
impediment to normal communication, but cannot prevent people like
Harry & Cawthon from typing.

BTW, there might be a reason we haven't heard from duh Oz lately.
Part way through the last NASCAR "race" (orchestrated performance)
officials dictated a MINIMUM tire pressure for competitors/performers.
Who else to blame?

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill

JerryD(upstateNY)

2005-10-19 14:48:21 UTC

"Part way through the last NASCAR "race" (orchestrated performance)

officials dictated a MINIMUM tire pressure for competitors/performers.<<<<

You are mistaken.
The 2 most popular drivers, Gordon and JR. aren't even in "The Chase" this
year.
If NASCAR was "orchestrating" it, they would be #1 and #2.

--
JerryD(upstateNY)

Tom Shaw

2005-10-19 17:18:18 UTC

Possibly they think the tire manufacturers are being too conservative about
replacement times.
TS
Why do they think they know so much more than the tire manufacturers?

Lon

George E. Cawthon

2005-10-20 00:04:46 UTC

Post by Lon VanOstran

Post by 351CJ
And Your vast credibility has been amassed how?
Who the hell appointed you the tire aging god?
Can you disprove anything George has presented?
George's comments about Les Schwab was right on!
And having absolutely safely run many sets of tires in the pacific
northwest for more than 10 years I have to say George's comments on
tire life in the pacific northwest were spot on too...
This whole replace perfectly good tires nonsense has gone on way too
long anyway.
I replace my tires when they show signs of needing replacement, not at
some arbitrary date. I guess if you are too freakin lazy or too
ignorant to properly inspect your own tires you could settle for a
supercilious schedule instead.

Humbug. What makes you want to disbelieve real
life experience and believe someone that just want
to sell you more? For example, there is no
evidence that the Firestone tires caused numerous
crashes in the Northwest, according to tire
dealers here. Maybe they lie, but the papers
never reported numerous crashes. Maybe NW drivers
are smarter, but that isn't likely. However, we
probably drive somewhat slower and the
temperatures are definitely lower than many parts
of the country.

But let's see some other nonsense promoted.
Change your smoke alarm batteries every time
change or at least once a year. You would be
stupid to use anything but alkaline batteries and
they last, by direct observation, for 2-3 years.
change the detectors every 10 years. Ok if you
want but you could just clean the sensor.

Or how about this one. Throw all of your
prescription medicine away if it is more than 6
months to a year old because it is dangerous.
That isn't true, but commonly stated. It may
deteriorate and be only 80 percent effective after
a few years if stored properly but it doesn't
deteriorate into something deadly. Use your
brain, store prescriptions properly, label fully,
but keep stuff that you will likely use or know
will be useful in the future.

Lon VanOstran

2005-10-20 03:48:17 UTC

Post by Lon VanOstran

Post by 351CJ
And Your vast credibility has been amassed how?
Who the hell appointed you the tire aging god?
Can you disprove anything George has presented?
George's comments about Les Schwab was right on!
And having absolutely safely run many sets of tires in the pacific
northwest for more than 10 years I have to say George's comments on
tire life in the pacific northwest were spot on too...
This whole replace perfectly good tires nonsense has gone on way too
long anyway.
I replace my tires when they show signs of needing replacement, not
at some arbitrary date. I guess if you are too freakin lazy or too
ignorant to properly inspect your own tires you could settle for a
supercilious schedule instead.

What is it about this newsgroup which attracts so many idiots with a
death wish, and what makes them want to take others with them when
they go? Why do they think they know so much more than the tire
manufacturers?
Lon

Humbug. What makes you want to disbelieve real life experience and
believe someone that just want to sell you more? For example, there
is no evidence that the Firestone tires caused numerous crashes in the
Northwest, according to tire dealers here. Maybe they lie, but the
papers never reported numerous crashes. Maybe NW drivers are smarter,
but that isn't likely. However, we probably drive somewhat slower and
the temperatures are definitely lower than many parts of the country.
But let's see some other nonsense promoted. Change your smoke alarm
batteries every time change or at least once a year. You would be
stupid to use anything but alkaline batteries and they last, by direct
observation, for 2-3 years. change the detectors every 10 years. Ok if
you want but you could just clean the sensor.
Or how about this one. Throw all of your prescription medicine away if
it is more than 6 months to a year old because it is dangerous. That
isn't true, but commonly stated. It may deteriorate and be only 80
percent effective after a few years if stored properly but it doesn't
deteriorate into something deadly. Use your brain, store prescriptions
properly, label fully, but keep stuff that you will likely use or know
will be useful in the future.

George,
Come back when your IQ improves to a positive number.

Lon

George E. Cawthon

2005-10-20 23:17:26 UTC

Post by Lon VanOstran

Post by Lon VanOstran
What is it about this newsgroup which attracts so many idiots with a
death wish, and what makes them want to take others with them when
they go? Why do they think they know so much more than the tire
manufacturers?
Lon

Humbug. What makes you want to disbelieve real life experience and
believe someone that just want to sell you more? For example, there
is no evidence that the Firestone tires caused numerous crashes in the
Northwest, according to tire dealers here. Maybe they lie, but the
papers never reported numerous crashes. Maybe NW drivers are smarter,
but that isn't likely. However, we probably drive somewhat slower and
the temperatures are definitely lower than many parts of the country.
But let's see some other nonsense promoted. Change your smoke alarm
batteries every time change or at least once a year. You would be
stupid to use anything but alkaline batteries and they last, by
direct observation, for 2-3 years. change the detectors every 10
years. Ok if you want but you could just clean the sensor.
Or how about this one. Throw all of your prescription medicine away
if it is more than 6 months to a year old because it is dangerous.
That isn't true, but commonly stated. It may deteriorate and be only
80 percent effective after a few years if stored properly but it
doesn't deteriorate into something deadly. Use your brain, store
prescriptions properly, label fully, but keep stuff that you will
likely use or know will be useful in the future.

George,
Come back when your IQ improves to a positive number.
Lon

Sorry, didn't know you were so ignorant. All you
have is ad hominim. Apparently your are incapable
of reading anything serious since you apparently
don't know what tire manufactures are saying.

HD in NY

2005-10-19 13:20:45 UTC

351CJ wrote:
snipped

Post by 351CJ
This whole replace perfectly good tires nonsense has gone on way too long
anyway.
I replace my tires when they show signs of needing replacement, not at some
arbitrary date. I guess if you are too freakin lazy or too ignorant to
properly inspect your own tires you could settle for a supercilious schedule
instead.

I'm inclined to agree with you on this. Visual inspection of
the tire should reveal any breakdown in the material. A
signal of degradation would be very small cracks anywhere in
the tire especially in the joining area between tread and
sidewall plus close inspection of the tread. Any sign of
cracks should warrant immediate replacement.
Hugh

bill horne

2005-10-19 17:01:44 UTC

Post by HD in NY
snipped

Post by 351CJ
This whole replace perfectly good tires nonsense has gone on way too
long anyway.
I replace my tires when they show signs of needing replacement, not at
some arbitrary date. I guess if you are too freakin lazy or too
ignorant to properly inspect your own tires you could settle for a
supercilious schedule instead.

I'm inclined to agree with you on this. Visual inspection of the tire
should reveal any breakdown in the material. A signal of degradation
would be very small cracks anywhere in the tire especially in the
joining area between tread and sidewall plus close inspection of the
tread. Any sign of cracks should warrant immediate replacement.
Hugh

FWIW, The latest Consumer Reports sez:
--------------------------------------------------
Tread life is important, but it shouldn’t outweigh braking, handling,
and other critical safety factors. Indeed, tires that last too long
may pose a safety risk, since rubber compounds deteriorate with age.
That has led some automakers to recommend discarding tires after
six years, regardless of wear. So far, the list includes BMW,
DaimlerChrysler, Ford, Mazda, and Volkswagen, though not General Motors.

We recommend that you check your tires regularly for wear, cuts, and
bulges, and replace tires older than 10 years. The good news from
our tests of 18 all-season tires is that tires continue to improve,
so finding a tire that meets your needs is less difficult.
-----------------------------------------------

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

HD in NY

2005-10-19 22:14:40 UTC

bill horne wrote:
snipped

Post by bill horne
We recommend that you check your tires regularly for wear, cuts, and
bulges, and replace tires older than 10 years. The good news from our
tests of 18 all-season tires is that tires continue to improve, so
finding a tire that meets your needs is less difficult.
-----------------------------------------------

As would I. How does that differ from what I said though?
Inspecting your tires for minute cracks is cutting the
chance if tire failure a bunch. The six year "rule" is just
to cover their ass. I don't doubt that under extremely high
exposure to UV rays, a tire can develop cracks before six years.
Hugh

bill horne

2005-10-19 22:27:13 UTC

Post by HD in NY
snipped

As would I. How does that differ from what I said though?

I don't recall implying that it does. Did you you infer something
that I didn't imply - or have I inferred something that you didn't imply?

Post by HD in NY
Inspecting
your tires for minute cracks is cutting the chance if tire failure a
bunch. The six year "rule" is just to cover their ass. I don't doubt
that under extremely high exposure to UV rays, a tire can develop cracks
before six years.
Hugh

From a little reading on the subject, I infer - although maybe
erroneously - that oxygen infiltration may be a bigger problem than UV.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

George E. Cawthon

2005-10-20 00:26:08 UTC

Post by HD in NY
snipped

Post by bill horne
We recommend that you check your tires regularly for wear, cuts, and
bulges, and replace tires older than 10 years. The good news from
our tests of 18 all-season tires is that tires continue to improve,
so finding a tire that meets your needs is less difficult.
-----------------------------------------------

As would I. How does that differ from what I said though?

I don't recall implying that it does. Did you you infer something that I
didn't imply - or have I inferred something that you didn't imply?

Post by HD in NY
Inspecting your tires for minute cracks is cutting the chance if tire
failure a bunch. The six year "rule" is just to cover their ass. I
don't doubt that under extremely high exposure to UV rays, a tire can
develop cracks before six years.
Hugh

From a little reading on the subject, I infer - although maybe
erroneously - that oxygen infiltration may be a bigger problem than UV.

Hmm. May that is why ours last longer, higher
elevation, lower oxygen. Or maybe our oxygen
deprived bodies just go to sleep so we don't drive
as far. Don't think that works in NV though. Some
of those suckers drive a lot of miles.

HD in NY

2005-10-20 00:56:20 UTC

bill horne wrote:
snipped

Post by bill horne
From a little reading on the subject, I infer - although maybe
erroneously - that oxygen infiltration may be a bigger problem than UV.

I won't dispute your findings. I will however mention my
snow tires purchased in the past. Almost always recaps, with
the stuff imbedded in the tread to improve traction. The
carcasses were old when the cap was put on. I used them for
several years and never had a failure.
Hugh

Kevin W. Miller

2005-10-20 02:36:38 UTC

<snip>

From a little reading on the subject, I infer - although maybe
erroneously - that oxygen infiltration may be a bigger problem than UV.

Which is why I store my RV with the tires in ziploc baggies.

Kevin W. Miller

bill horne

2005-10-20 03:29:30 UTC

Post by Kevin W. Miller
<snip>

From a little reading on the subject, I infer - although maybe
erroneously - that oxygen infiltration may be a bigger problem than UV.

Which is why I store my RV with the tires in ziploc baggies.
Kevin W. Miller

You oughtta fill them with nitrogen - then every time a little oxy
tries to get in, a little nitro will push him back out.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

Peter Pan

2005-10-20 05:01:54 UTC

Put two threads together, and you get Les Schwab Batteries and a more humane
mousetrap.... Hmmm... An electric mousetrap... I guess zapping is more
humane than whacking em with a metal bar.... :)

Hunter

2005-10-20 13:01:38 UTC

On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:01:54 -0700, "Peter Pan"

Post by Peter Pan
Hmmm... An electric mousetrap... I guess zapping is more
humane than whacking em with a metal bar.... :)

Meet the Ratzapper.

http://www.ratzapper.com/

Hunter

--

http://members.aol.com/hhamp5246/roadtrip2005.htm

Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy shit...what a ride!"

George E. Cawthon

2005-10-20 00:14:48 UTC

Post by HD in NY
snipped

Post by 351CJ
This whole replace perfectly good tires nonsense has gone on way too
long anyway.
I replace my tires when they show signs of needing replacement, not
at some arbitrary date. I guess if you are too freakin lazy or too
ignorant to properly inspect your own tires you could settle for a
supercilious schedule instead.

I'm inclined to agree with you on this. Visual inspection of the tire
should reveal any breakdown in the material. A signal of degradation
would be very small cracks anywhere in the tire especially in the
joining area between tread and sidewall plus close inspection of the
tread. Any sign of cracks should warrant immediate replacement.
Hugh

--------------------------------------------------
Tread life is important, but it shouldn’t outweigh braking, handling,
and other critical safety factors. Indeed, tires that last too long may
pose a safety risk, since rubber compounds deteriorate with age. That
has led some automakers to recommend discarding tires after six years,
regardless of wear. So far, the list includes BMW, DaimlerChrysler,
Ford, Mazda, and Volkswagen, though not General Motors.
We recommend that you check your tires regularly for wear, cuts, and
bulges, and replace tires older than 10 years. The good news from our
tests of 18 all-season tires is that tires continue to improve, so
finding a tire that meets your needs is less difficult.
-----------------------------------------------

Why does Consumer Reports point out what car
manufactures say (they are just covering their
butts? It would be more meaningful to point out
what tire manufactures say.
The quote seems internally contradictory if auto
manufacture recommend 6 years for replacement and
Consumer Reports recommends replacing after 10 years.

bill horne

2005-10-20 03:31:36 UTC

Post by HD in NY
snipped

Post by 351CJ
This whole replace perfectly good tires nonsense has gone on way too
long anyway.
I replace my tires when they show signs of needing replacement, not
at some arbitrary date. I guess if you are too freakin lazy or too
ignorant to properly inspect your own tires you could settle for a
supercilious schedule instead.

I'm inclined to agree with you on this. Visual inspection of the tire
should reveal any breakdown in the material. A signal of degradation
would be very small cracks anywhere in the tire especially in the
joining area between tread and sidewall plus close inspection of the
tread. Any sign of cracks should warrant immediate replacement.
Hugh

--------------------------------------------------
Tread life is important, but it shouldn’t outweigh braking, handling,
and other critical safety factors. Indeed, tires that last too long
may pose a safety risk, since rubber compounds deteriorate with age.
That has led some automakers to recommend discarding tires after six
years, regardless of wear. So far, the list includes BMW,
DaimlerChrysler, Ford, Mazda, and Volkswagen, though not General Motors.
We recommend that you check your tires regularly for wear, cuts, and
bulges, and replace tires older than 10 years. The good news from our
tests of 18 all-season tires is that tires continue to improve, so
finding a tire that meets your needs is less difficult.
-----------------------------------------------

Why does Consumer Reports point out what car manufactures say (they are
just covering their butts? It would be more meaningful to point out
what tire manufactures say.
The quote seems internally contradictory if auto manufacture recommend 6
years for replacement and Consumer Reports recommends replacing after 10
years.

Best you email them. I just take the mag - I don't run the outfit.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

George E. Cawthon

2005-10-20 06:34:51 UTC

Post by HD in NY
snipped

Post by 351CJ
This whole replace perfectly good tires nonsense has gone on way
too long anyway.
I replace my tires when they show signs of needing replacement, not
at some arbitrary date. I guess if you are too freakin lazy or too
ignorant to properly inspect your own tires you could settle for a
supercilious schedule instead.

I'm inclined to agree with you on this. Visual inspection of the
tire should reveal any breakdown in the material. A signal of
degradation would be very small cracks anywhere in the tire
especially in the joining area between tread and sidewall plus close
inspection of the tread. Any sign of cracks should warrant immediate
replacement.
Hugh

--------------------------------------------------
Tread life is important, but it shouldn’t outweigh braking, handling,
and other critical safety factors. Indeed, tires that last too long
may pose a safety risk, since rubber compounds deteriorate with age.
That has led some automakers to recommend discarding tires after six
years, regardless of wear. So far, the list includes BMW,
DaimlerChrysler, Ford, Mazda, and Volkswagen, though not General Motors.
We recommend that you check your tires regularly for wear, cuts, and
bulges, and replace tires older than 10 years. The good news from
our tests of 18 all-season tires is that tires continue to improve,
so finding a tire that meets your needs is less difficult.
-----------------------------------------------

Why does Consumer Reports point out what car manufactures say (they
are just covering their butts? It would be more meaningful to point
out what tire manufactures say.
The quote seems internally contradictory if auto manufacture recommend
6 years for replacement and Consumer Reports recommends replacing
after 10 years.

Best you email them. I just take the mag - I don't run the outfit.

That was a rhetorical question. But no, I really
don't care what Consumer Reports says but I think
the 10 years is more realistic than the 6 years
auto manufacturers suggest.

William Boyd

2005-10-19 17:08:40 UTC

Post by 351CJ

I wouldn't worry. You may be able to to get a better battery elsewhere
but the price would be considerably higher. The reason you wouldn't need
to worry is that they likely have a better guarantee than anywhere else.
As for Les Schwab, they have better service and guarantees that most, if
not, all other tire stores. And of course they don't make their own
tires, batteries or anything else, they just provide exceptional service.
Since you are new to the northwest, please forget all the BS you hear
about replacing tires every 5 years. With lower humidity and lower
temperatures, tire rot is considerably lower than in the south or east.
I have 11 year old tires on my TT, 9 year olds on a car, 5 year old
originals on my truck, and 5 year olds (courtesy of Les Schwab and the
Firestone mess) on my Explorer. All look like new tires. I have never
replaced a tire because of age condition except a for a pair showed
splits in the casing (long, long ago) and that was with tires that were
very old.

You just lost all creditability that you had or thought you had, with your
advice on tire aging. Poor Les Schwab, most probably has suffered by your
support for them. Unless a more creditable source can vouch for their
service, you have done them an injustice.
--
BILL P.
Just Me
&
DOG

And Your vast credibility has been amassed how?
Who the hell appointed you the tire aging god?
Can you disprove anything George has presented?
George's comments about Les Schwab was right on!
And having absolutely safely run many sets of tires in the pacific northwest
for more than 10 years I have to say George's comments on tire life in the
pacific northwest were spot on too...
This whole replace perfectly good tires nonsense has gone on way too long
anyway.
I replace my tires when they show signs of needing replacement, not at some
arbitrary date. I guess if you are too freakin lazy or too ignorant to
properly inspect your own tires you could settle for a supercilious schedule
instead.

You gave definitive advice at a premature time. Studies are being
conducted on tire aging and may be dependent on the tire use and
overall condition. But there is indications that time exposure and
load use has a lot to do with tire replacement. I would rather delay
giving advice until all the test results are in.

http://www.tirebusiness.com/subscriber/opinion2.phtml?cat=3&id=1118065256

--
BILL P.

351CJ

2005-10-26 06:10:20 UTC

Post by William Boyd

Post by 351CJ

Post by William Boyd

I wouldn't worry. You may be able to to get a better battery elsewhere
but the price would be considerably higher. The reason you wouldn't
need to worry is that they likely have a better guarantee than anywhere
else.
As for Les Schwab, they have better service and guarantees that most, if
not, all other tire stores. And of course they don't make their own
tires, batteries or anything else, they just provide exceptional service.
Since you are new to the northwest, please forget all the BS you hear
about replacing tires every 5 years. With lower humidity and lower
temperatures, tire rot is considerably lower than in the south or east.
I have 11 year old tires on my TT, 9 year olds on a car, 5 year old
originals on my truck, and 5 year olds (courtesy of Les Schwab and the
Firestone mess) on my Explorer. All look like new tires. I have never
replaced a tire because of age condition except a for a pair showed
splits in the casing (long, long ago) and that was with tires that were
very old.

You just lost all creditability that you had or thought you had, with
your advice on tire aging. Poor Les Schwab, most probably has suffered by
your support for them. Unless a more creditable source can vouch for
their service, you have done them an injustice.
--
BILL P.
Just Me
&
DOG

And Your vast credibility has been amassed how?
Who the hell appointed you the tire aging god?
Can you disprove anything George has presented?
George's comments about Les Schwab was right on!
And having absolutely safely run many sets of tires in the pacific
northwest for more than 10 years I have to say George's comments on tire
life in the pacific northwest were spot on too...
This whole replace perfectly good tires nonsense has gone on way too long
anyway.
I replace my tires when they show signs of needing replacement, not at
some arbitrary date. I guess if you are too freakin lazy or too ignorant
to properly inspect your own tires you could settle for a supercilious
schedule instead.

You gave definitive advice at a premature time. Studies are being
conducted on tire aging and may be dependent on the tire use and overall
condition. But there is indications that time exposure and load use has a
lot to do with tire replacement. I would rather delay giving advice until
all the test results are in.
http://www.tirebusiness.com/subscriber/opinion2.phtml?cat=3&id=1118065256
--
BILL P.

Or at least until you can learn how to properly inspect your own tires...

Lone Haranguer

2005-10-27 00:54:09 UTC

Post by 351CJ
Or at least until you can learn how to properly inspect your own tires...

Preflight checklist on a B-26? Kick the tires and count the wings.
LZ

Pegleg

2005-10-16 22:27:43 UTC

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:21:39 GMT, "George E. Cawthon"

Post by George E. Cawthon
Since you are new to the northwest, please forget
all the BS you hear about replacing tires every 5
years. With lower humidity and lower
temperatures, tire rot is considerably lower than
in the south or east. I have 11 year old tires on
my TT, 9 year olds on a car, 5 year old originals
on my truck, and 5 year olds (courtesy of Les
Schwab and the Firestone mess) on my Explorer.
All look like new tires. I have never replaced a
tire because of age condition except a for a pair
showed splits in the casing (long, long ago) and
that was with tires that were very old.

Lower humidity in Washington? I don't think so!
We came here from San Diego where low humidity was a given, especially
during Santa Anna conditions.

You're a bit confused. Also, I like the five year rule! Our safety and
peace of mind are more important than $$$$$.

--
Pegleg
U.S. Navy Retired
Support Our Troops

All great things are simple, and many can be expressed in single words:
freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope.
Sir Winston Churchill

Will Sill

2005-10-17 01:01:04 UTC

Lower humidity in Washington? I don't think so!

Could be if he is in Spokane or Richland.

Post by Pegleg
You're a bit confused. Also, I like the five year rule! Our safety and
peace of mind are more important than $$$$$.

Cawthon is not merely confused. He's a moron. He mistakes luck for
good judgment. But then, maybe he uses all those old tires just in
the trailer park, where it doesn't matter how old they are!

Will Sill
The alternative to war in Iraq is not "peace";
it is war everywhere at the whim of terrorists.

George E. Cawthon

2005-10-17 02:01:47 UTC

Post by Will Sill

Lower humidity in Washington? I don't think so!

Could be if he is in Spokane or Richland.

Post by Pegleg
You're a bit confused. Also, I like the five year rule! Our safety and
peace of mind are more important than $$$$$.

Cawthon is not merely confused. He's a moron. He mistakes luck for
good judgment. But then, maybe he uses all those old tires just in
the trailer park, where it doesn't matter how old they are!
Will Sill
The alternative to war in Iraq is not "peace";
it is war everywhere at the whim of terrorists.

Ah, good old Will is still at it. Ignorant even
if he does travel a lot. Maybe he ought to look
at a map of rainfall, humidity and other weather
factors. All one has to do is live in Seattle
where it may not rain for 2 months in the summer
to know that the humidity is nothing like D.C. or
Florida. 6" of rain in 24 hours just the other
day in New York and it was still raining. Hell,
6" is half of the annual rainfall, and it's 1/6 of
the annual rainfall in Seattle or Portland.

Oh, hi Will, you still changing your alkaline
batteries every year in your smoke detectors?
Mine generally last 2-1/2 years. You helping out
the economy or just don't give a damn about waste
and reducing demand on the environment?

Pegleg

2005-10-17 03:10:51 UTC

Post by Will Sill
Cawthon is not merely confused. He's a moron. He mistakes luck for
good judgment. But then, maybe he uses all those old tires just in
the trailer park, where it doesn't matter how old they are!

Kill Filter took care of him!

--
Pegleg
U.S. Navy Retired
Support Our Troops

All great things are simple, and many can be expressed in single words:
freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope.
Sir Winston Churchill

George E. Cawthon

2005-10-17 01:49:22 UTC

Post by Pegleg
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:21:39 GMT, "George E. Cawthon"

Lower humidity in Washington? I don't think so!
We came here from San Diego where low humidity was a given, especially
during Santa Anna conditions.
You're a bit confused. Also, I like the five year rule! Our safety and
peace of mind are more important than $$$$$.

Hmm. You are new to the Pacific Northwest (note
that it is two words not three)! The term as used
by people who live there usually applies to
Washington, Idaho, and Oregon or more specifically
the cost plus the Columbia River basin.

Note I said compared to the South or East. San
Diego is not the South or East. Hey, have a happy
day enjoying all that high humidity (summer and
winter). And stay safe and be sure to change the
alkaline batteries in those smoke detectors once a
year or better yet, each time you switch to and
from daylight savings time.

Oh. Sorry I recommended you to Les Schwab, you
should probably go with a big tire company.

Steve H

2005-10-17 06:10:25 UTC

On a weekly basis we get Les Schwab great service at our shop.
Toyo tires that pull. Toyo's have the lowest purchase cost and the highest
mark up. Now we throw in a free flat repair and balance. Hey- How about a
100 thousand mile warranty.
New tires that are cyped (SP) this voids manufactures warranties, but les
Schwab don't care.
Yesterday they fixed a flat on Our tire, then told the customer it was
separating but mounted it up on the rig for the drive to our shop. If the
tire is separating, then do not mount it.
Mixing old and new tires on a Subaru AWD.
Putting a Toyo on a Toyota Pyrus, well below the load rating required on
those rigs. The Toyotas comment to the customer was "Tow that car to
firestone and get the proper tire on it.
All brake jobs get Reman calipers. Needed or not.
They often do not have the same tire at one shop to another. Buy a set at
one place and go to another to replace one. don't have the same tire.

Our family use to do all our tire business at Schwab. They have a
outstanding customer service attitude and policies when dealing with the
product. But now that my parents travel out of the Northwest, the nationwide
warranty means a great deal to them.
Note: One of our tech's use to work at Les Schwab. Some of his stories are
interesting
Batteries? Interstate. Got tired of replacing the Les Schwab's every year.
--
Stephen W. Hansen
ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician
ASE Undercar Specialist

http://www.troublecodes.net/technical/

Post by Jon Porter
No experience here. From what I have been able to dig up, it looks like
they market batteries under thier tire center name. My impression is that
they don't make the batteries themselves, which is quite common. However,
http://www.jdpower.com/news/releases/pressrelease.asp?ID=2002050

Thanks for the link Jon. I am new to the Les Schwab market area
(Pacific North West) and have heard good things about their tire
service. Apparently they had some problems with their previous battery
supplier and recently made a change. Was hoping to find out who is
making them now.
I am really a Trojan fan but the closest distributor is over 100 miles
away so thought I would try to give some local business my money.
Thanks again,

I wouldn't worry. You may be able to to get a better battery elsewhere
but the price would be considerably higher. The reason you wouldn't need
to worry is that they likely have a better guarantee than anywhere else.
As for Les Schwab, they have better service and guarantees that most, if
not, all other tire stores. And of course they don't make their own
tires, batteries or anything else, they just provide exceptional service.
Since you are new to the northwest, please forget all the BS you hear
about replacing tires every 5 years. With lower humidity and lower
temperatures, tire rot is considerably lower than in the south or east. I
have 11 year old tires on my TT, 9 year olds on a car, 5 year old
originals on my truck, and 5 year olds (courtesy of Les Schwab and the
Firestone mess) on my Explorer. All look like new tires. I have never
replaced a tire because of age condition except a for a pair showed splits
in the casing (long, long ago) and that was with tires that were very old.

Pegleg

2005-10-17 15:42:04 UTC

Post by Steve H
On a weekly basis we get Les Schwab great service at our shop.

Does the above mean people who have been to Les Schwab come to you to
correct a problem?

Post by Steve H
Toyo tires that pull. Toyo's have the lowest purchase cost and the highest
mark up. Now we throw in a free flat repair and balance. Hey- How about a
100 thousand mile warranty.

Their prices are not competitive?

Post by Steve H
New tires that are cyped (SP) this voids manufactures warranties, but les
Schwab don't care.
Yesterday they fixed a flat on Our tire, then told the customer it was
separating but mounted it up on the rig for the drive to our shop. If the
tire is separating, then do not mount it.

What is Our tire?

Post by Steve H
Mixing old and new tires on a Subaru AWD.
Putting a Toyo on a Toyota Pyrus, well below the load rating required on
those rigs. The Toyotas comment to the customer was "Tow that car to
firestone and get the proper tire on it.
All brake jobs get Reman calipers. Needed or not.
They often do not have the same tire at one shop to another. Buy a set at
one place and go to another to replace one. don't have the same tire.
Our family use to do all our tire business at Schwab. They have a
outstanding customer service attitude and policies when dealing with the
product. But now that my parents travel out of the Northwest, the nationwide
warranty means a great deal to them.

Who's nationwide warranty...Schwab's or ??? This paragraph is very
confusing.

Post by Steve H
Note: One of our tech's use to work at Les Schwab. Some of his stories are
interesting

An example?

Post by Steve H
Batteries? Interstate. Got tired of replacing the Les Schwab's every year.

Napa use to carry Interstate but now have batteries with their own
label... but, don't know who they are made by

It seems that in a roundabout way you are telling me to stay away from
Les Schwab

--
Pegleg
U.S. Navy Retired
Support Our Troops

All great things are simple, and many can be expressed in single words:
freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope.
Sir Winston Churchill

Steve H

2005-10-18 04:37:21 UTC

I'm sorry I confused you. It was a short 1100pm message trying to relate
that Les Schwab isn't all it's cut out to be. They've got a great following
in the Northwest; Massive advertising campaign, lots of community Support,
but sell a average tire at a good price. A customer once was price shopping
and looked at our quote for tires and said "Les Schwab gives you free flat
repair and you charge for that" Our manager replied "Even with our "added"
flat repair package, it is still cheaper then Les's quote" But people get
hung up on the "Free" and forget the bottom line. Les Schwab has a great
marketing strategy. Buy cheap tires and sell them at a high mark-up. Make
the customers think they are getting a great deal. Les Schwab truck tires
and Semi tires are good. But when it comes to buying tires shop around.
Compare apples to apples. If the tire is going to get a flat in Yuma, Will
there free flat repair fix it? Goodyear, Firestone all have national
warranties. I trust Goodyear shops on the east coast but not as much on the
west coast, for they are Franchised. A friend who worked 20 years in the
east coast said there is quite a difference on how business is done.

Interstate can be sold buy anyone, I've seen small garages sell them, so
look around. Interstate is made by Johnson Control's Corp.

Steve
USAF Ret.

Post by Steve H
On a weekly basis we get Les Schwab great service at our shop.

Does the above mean people who have been to Les Schwab come to you to
correct a problem?

Post by Steve H
Toyo tires that pull. Toyo's have the lowest purchase cost and the highest
mark up. Now we throw in a free flat repair and balance. Hey- How about a
100 thousand mile warranty.

Their prices are not competitive?

What is Our tire?

Who's nationwide warranty...Schwab's or ??? This paragraph is very
confusing.

Post by Steve H
Note: One of our tech's use to work at Les Schwab. Some of his stories are
interesting

An example?

Post by Steve H
Batteries? Interstate. Got tired of replacing the Les Schwab's every year.

Napa use to carry Interstate but now have batteries with their own
label... but, don't know who they are made by
It seems that in a roundabout way you are telling me to stay away from
Les Schwab
--
Pegleg
U.S. Navy Retired
Support Our Troops
freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope.
Sir Winston Churchill

Pegleg

2005-10-18 05:34:46 UTC

Post by Steve H
Interstate can be sold buy anyone, I've seen small garages sell them, so
look around. Interstate is made by Johnson Control's Corp.
Steve
USAF Ret.

--
U.S. Navy Retired
Support Our Troops

All great things are simple, and many can be expressed in single words:
freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope.
Sir Winston Churchill

Steve H

2005-10-18 15:44:42 UTC

Where did you relocate to?

Steve

Post by Steve H
Interstate can be sold buy anyone, I've seen small garages sell them, so
look around. Interstate is made by Johnson Control's Corp.
Steve
USAF Ret.

Thanks Steve. Ended up with an Interstate battery from Napa.
New to this area...previously have purchased all my tires from Discount
Tires over many years and have always been very satisfied.
Regards...
Brian
--
U.S. Navy Retired
Support Our Troops
freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope.
Sir Winston Churchill

Pegleg

2005-10-18 19:42:29 UTC

Post by Steve H
Where did you relocate to?
Steve

Ferndale, WA area...from San Diego.

--
U.S. Navy Retired
Support Our Troops

All great things are simple, and many can be expressed in single words:
freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope.
Sir Winston Churchill

Mickey

2005-10-18 17:18:09 UTC

Post by Steve H
Interstate can be sold buy anyone, I've seen small garages sell them, so
look around. Interstate is made by Johnson Control's Corp.
Steve
USAF Ret.

Around here, Les Schwab country, many if not most batteries are made
by Johnson Controls. Johnson has a plant in Canby Or. Lead is to
spendy to ship very far if not necessary.

I typ see on private labeled batteries a small statement saying
"battery made by Johnson Controls for XXX."

Mickey

George E. Cawthon

2005-10-18 23:28:32 UTC

Post by Steve H
I'm sorry I confused you. It was a short 1100pm message trying to relate
that Les Schwab isn't all it's cut out to be. They've got a great following
in the Northwest; Massive advertising campaign, lots of community Support,
but sell a average tire at a good price. A customer once was price shopping
and looked at our quote for tires and said "Les Schwab gives you free flat
repair and you charge for that" Our manager replied "Even with our "added"
flat repair package, it is still cheaper then Les's quote" But people get
hung up on the "Free" and forget the bottom line. Les Schwab has a great
marketing strategy. Buy cheap tires and sell them at a high mark-up. Make
the customers think they are getting a great deal. Les Schwab truck tires
and Semi tires are good. But when it comes to buying tires shop around.
Compare apples to apples. If the tire is going to get a flat in Yuma, Will
there free flat repair fix it? Goodyear, Firestone all have national
warranties. I trust Goodyear shops on the east coast but not as much on the
west coast, for they are Franchised. A friend who worked 20 years in the
east coast said there is quite a difference on how business is done.
Interstate can be sold buy anyone, I've seen small garages sell them, so
look around. Interstate is made by Johnson Control's Corp.
Steve
USAF Ret.

Post by Steve H
On a weekly basis we get Les Schwab great service at our shop.

Does the above mean people who have been to Les Schwab come to you to
correct a problem?

Post by Steve H
Toyo tires that pull. Toyo's have the lowest purchase cost and the highest
mark up. Now we throw in a free flat repair and balance. Hey- How about a
100 thousand mile warranty.

Their prices are not competitive?

What is Our tire?

Who's nationwide warranty...Schwab's or ??? This paragraph is very
confusing.

Post by Steve H
Note: One of our tech's use to work at Les Schwab. Some of his stories are
interesting

An example?

Post by Steve H
Batteries? Interstate. Got tired of replacing the Les Schwab's every year.

Steve has a point. Les Schwab is limited to the
Northwest so when you are out of the area you
won't have any "free" service.

Of course Les Schwab doesn't cost less for every
brand and size of tire, so shopping around makes
sense. You won't save much by shopping elsewhere
though. I bought from BiG precisely for that
reason and got good service (at a higher cost)
until they decided not to service split rims. I
had to go to Les Schwab to get a split rim
serviced.

Btw, it wasn't a short message it was a diatribe
against Les Schwab, and made little sense. Of
course they sell cheaper tires, they also sell
well known brands. Service depends in part on the
local service manager, but all of the people I
have dealt with have been knowledgeable, honest,
and willing to help. Schwab supplied a road
hazard warranty while many famous brands did not,
and in fact, would not warantee their tires for
road hazards.

Their free flat repair service is so good it
extends to non-customer. I personally don't care
if you buy from Les Schwab or not, but Steve
appears to have "issues."

Richard Ball

2005-10-17 21:12:57 UTC

Where are you located? If your in the Seattle area you might look at DYNO.
DYNO manufactures Batteries that are used a lot in Marine applications for
both starting and storage applications. I have always had good luck with
them in our cars RV and boat.

Rich
'82 Jamboree 23'

Post by Jon Porter

Post by Pegleg
Anyone had experience with these? I understand they recently changed
manufacturers.
Am looking at their Power Pack Deep Cycle for my new "house" battery,
750-850 CCA.

No experience here. From what I have been able to dig up, it looks like
they market batteries under thier tire center name. My impression is that
they don't make the batteries themselves, which is quite common. However,
http://www.jdpower.com/news/releases/pressrelease.asp?ID=2002050
--
Jon
JPinOH

351CJ

2005-10-19 05:04:13 UTC